Breivik testimony April 20, 2012

Oslo District Court 04/20/2012

[04/20 This post will be updated]
[VG announced today that the paper may leave out details that are particularly gruesome.]

Google translation [edited for clarity]:

Day 5, word for word: – Would not have killed if media respected FRP [Progress Party]
4/20/2012

Read Friday’s first part of prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden questioning by Anders Breivik Behring below:

Comments from VG Jarle Brenna: Hello, we are in place in the courthouse in Oslo and ready to report what is happening today. Breivik to explain about Utøya and it is expected that many of his descriptions will be tough to hear. We got to go see how he explains in detail and without any feelings about how he wanted to carry out executions 22 July. Yesterday, prosecutors concluded their questioning of the time from 2006 through bomb attack in the government quarter. During this period, Breivik and prosecutors strongly disagree about when the defendant began to plan terrorist attacks. Breivik claims he started in 2006, when prosecutors first thought to see concrete evidence of planning in 2009 when he also created the company Breivik Geofarm.

VG: – Three of the experts are now collected while only defends Vibeke Bone Army in place of Breivik’s defenders. There has Prosecutor Bejer Engh arrived. – There will Lippestad in and talks to Vibeke Hein berries.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: A large number of regular listeners was this morning told that there is a single place to belong hall Monday (last day of Breivik’s explanation). It is obvious that there are more listeners present at the courthouse today – the queues were long for the first time since Monday.

VG: – Where is Holden in, and we expect when the defendant and the judges.

VG: – Breivik comes in and this time with a white tie and black shirt, unlike the other days where he had a white shirt and colored tie. – The judges arrive.

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Judge Wenche Arntzen explained relatives and survivors in the audience that they have the opportunity to leave the premises outside the breaks.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – When is the right set. This means that the filming is not allowed. We shall now continue the interrogation of the defendant. Before we embark on it and I will make those present aware that it is permissible to leave the hall outside the breaks. When I give the word to the prosecutor. [Food that it is defense that will be started the day]

defender Vibeke Hein bearer: – Anders. Initially, I ask you a bit. It was for many a difficult day yesterday, to hear about how you planned and carried out 22 July and it is also the theme today. What are your thoughts on that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – You think about how it is to tell about it, just?

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Now, I think first and foremost on whether you think it is a difficult message for others?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Absolutely, it’s about cruel and barbaric acts and I can not even begin to fathom what it is like for others, and I had failed to conduct the trial and the police interviews that I have done. I have consistently distanced myself from it. I try to by-emosjonalisere myself. Trying to use a technical language. Had I used a normal language had been difficult.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Yes, it was Anders. And you said something about this, you’ve said it many times in the police interrogation, that it was cruel, but necessary. You have also used a different expression: The ULEV injustice. What does this ULEV injustice? What do you mean when you use that term?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Mainly so we are talking of freedom of speech and that the very large group of people have been prevented since 2 World War II, from expressing itself. These people are nationalists and cultural conservatives who have been prevented by liberals and kulturmarxistene. – They have actually been excluded since the second world war. It is the primary exclusion made by the Norwegian and European media. – For individuals and organizations. It also goes out on the systematic demonization of these individuals. The purpose of the Norwegian and European media is to exclude the large group of people from democracy. They use free speech as a tool to do this.

defender Vibeke Hein consequences: – It is pretty strong opinions you have about this, Breivik, which can be difficult to understand and we have to talk some more about how you were so, what you call your radikaliseringsfaktoren.

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Most of us in the room are journalists, but there are also several family members and survivors who have turned up today to hear Breivik testify about the attack on Utøya.

Behring Anders Breivik: – The main point is probably when I was 15 years, I learned that everything I had learned at school and read in the newspapers did not match the reality of the picture I saw. I developed a great distrust of the establishment, especially the media. And I asked myself many questions. Why is this so? Why do we learn anything in school that does not match the reality? I was interested in, what is politics, why Norway is the country we are today? – In addition, … in my background so … I have known many people from minority groups and had many friends. What I experienced when I was fifteen years got me onto that direction. I was very much a witness to the Norwegian degree are treated differently than minority youth. I thought: why does this happen?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Why tolerate the government and the media that Muslim youths commit the atrocities in Norwegian adolescents. Why tolerate that they systematically harasses, rape, abuse. Why this injustice is tolerated from one side and why Norwegians do not defend themselves.

Behring Anders Breivik: – When I learned that the Norwegian and European media will consistently protect minorities and the multicultural experiment and all who try to criticize it gets its head cut off and subjected to a cruel dehumaisering and ridicule. Consequences: We’ll come back to it with the media, Anders. But now you write and as you have described earlier as well, you understand that it may be perceived quite racist, so I ask you directly. Are you, do you think of yourself as a racist? Breivik: No, I perceive myself as an anti-racist. And I have even noticed the racism all my life, but this is a matter of anti-European racism European media and the Norwegian media, and especially from kulturmarxistisk elites. It is a violent, almost hatred of the European, to our culture, against our ancestors, as advocated by primarily Communists, kulturmarxistene, and because they are so sure in the school sector and in the media sector, as they represent an unprofessional much power, they have had very much power after World War II, and it may explain why not a single journalist in Norway opposes multiculturalism. 100 percent all the media agencies in Norway and more or less all the media agencies in Europe are in favor of multiculturalism, and all they want to protect the multicultural and multiracial experiment. Baehr: But let’s be a little specific on some other points too, you were much within the school system. For the right and we all can understand a little more, what are the specific school you react like that for? Breivik: Well, you can say that after the Second World War it has been decided that nationalism is evil, and those who advocate kulturmarxisme, ie the protection of their own culture, they are vicious and curriculum should be organized at the school so that it produces individuals that automatically advocates the lofty truth, multiculturalism and cultural Marxism.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – When are various a Norwegian series, “Roots,” which appears for all Norwegian children at school that shows how evil American slave traders were, although Norway has never been involved in the slave trade, which attempts to transfer the bad conscience. Educational songs like “Children of the Rainbow” written by Little Bear Nilsen is a self-proclaimed Marxist. He is a very good example of a Marxist, which filters the cultural sector. He creates educational songs used in part as a brainwashing for Norwegian students, and he himself has said that rather than being, nor to create Norway’s laws, I will make Norway’s songs. So his ideal is to influence Norway politically, but he believes there is more leverage to create educational songs in school than helping to formulate policies or laws. He is a perfect example of a Marxist activist and his work and the work of those who used him in the left wing Norwegian school. Bæra: But Anders Nilsen Little Bear is not part of the school system, so let’s stick to the school system now, and academic circles. What is it about the curriculum and culture of the school that you have done you some thoughts about? Breivik: So, if you look at the majority of countries in the world, it’s female and male role models. And when the Soviet Union won the Second World War, it was noted that Norway adopted many customs communist, Marxist traditions. Labor was the way the support of Moscow from the Holocaust. It is a very Marxist party. And they decided that one ought to introduce a communist revolution in Norwegian schools. And then you suddenly get the boys to start knitting, you will get the boys to begin to crochet and cook. And you will get the girls to begin with gutted. So you’ve tried to follow Communist ideals, that is to remove the traditional role patterns. It is another example of the left-wing Norwegian, but also European school

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Let’s stick to the school system now. (…)

Behring Anders Breivik: – If you look at the majority of the rest of the world, it’s female and male role models. When the Soviet Union prevailed, we see that Norway adopted a number of communist practices. Labor decided that we should introduce a communist revolution in Norwegian schools. And when should you suddenly get the boys to knit, boys to work, and you should get girls to begin with gutted. – So you’ve tried to follow the communist ideals that is to remove the traditional roles.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – You said yesterday that before you got the mind of a violent action to gain power, said you had tried to do something without violent means. What did you mean by that?

VG: – We are sorry – but because of a technical fault we were not out messages about what Breivik told the court between 9:10 to 9:15

Behring Anders Breivik: – You could say that before 2002, I had faith in democracy. I thought it was possible to change the Norwegian and European policy through work and activities. I learned early on that cultural conservatives and nationalists have no real freedom of speech. Cultural Conservative writers were systematically censored and did not come to shows and TV channels, they received no government support. They were kept out through the press support. – As a tool for protecting media hegemony in Norway. And then there comes an interesting point that Arne Strand, editor of the Times, also spoke. He understands, of course, because he is an intelligent person, he knows that the day press support falls, then open it up for cultural conservative and nationalist media. – He knows that as long as the media hegemony is maintained, then the people that he and Marxist newspapers like Times take part in the hegemony and keep everyone out. I have been witness to … have heard of hundreds of examples where the right-wing writers who criticize cultural Marxism, multiculturalism does not get published. – It has been so long that you forget to send in for you can not publish anything anyway. It applies to publishers, not just newspapers and television. If one is to publish a book and criticize the government must use dissidentforlag.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – What do you mean by dissidentforlag?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is the big publishers who own bokkjedene. Therefore, one has to be, one can not fall into disfavor with them, then you get not distributed anything. There are three companies in Norway, which is the monopoly. – And it’s all the cultural conservatives who are critical of cultural Marxism and multiculturalism know that they can just forget about getting anything published. Then you have to drive so powerful self-censorship to such an extent that much of what we are trying to bring up losing their meaning.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Now you say “all”, that you talk a bit about, how do you know?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Well, you can say that. I will be careful to take specific name, for it will have consequences for the people I name the. I know of hundreds of cases where the right-wing writers have tried so many times raw submit letters to the editor due to the major newspapers that they give up. And I have tried to get through to some newspapers themselves. I and people I know have contacted both the NRK and TV2 have contacted about the lack of coverage of the Muslim riots in Gothenburg and France. Answer: We will not talk about it, your fascist, because we will protect our (…). – They say you never what they really want, they say “no, it is not news worthy” major European events are not news worthy, they say.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Did you experience it, or is this something you’ve experienced?

Behring Anders Breivik – I experienced it on two occasions. In 2009, around the Muslim riots Gothenburg and France. Then I was told by NRK and TV2 that it was not news worthy. What happened was that there were choices. They were terrified to cover the riots because the FRP would have greater support. They thought that we can not cover this because then you get FRP greater support. – What happened was that 4-5 weeks with massive riots in France and Gothenburg, who Norwegian media did not cover at all. Under the deck, there was no coverage.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – But Breivik, many will probably think like me, that you have heard about the riots with Muslims in both Malmö and France and Gothenburg and …?

Behring Anders Breivik: – That is correct, what you refer to now is the major riots France in 2005, what I’m talking about now they are a little less in summer 2009.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Why was it covered in 2005 and not 2009?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What happened was, this is a claim: When they covered the depth of 2005 saw the coverage that led to recruitment on the right side. Greater support for parties that are critical to massive immigration. They took themselves to have made a mistake, and I said to my self: we can not shed light on issues related to Islam and African and Asian minorities because we help to shower up right. – And when they learned of it and thought, okay, we have to ignore it or write about it. Before the parliamentary elections in 2009 so they chose not to write about it at all. It was not surprising to many cultural conservatives, at all, and that the election was conducted. As the top of the cheek, then the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation with a report one week later. – They should have written about four weeks before the election. When talking about just the election, I remember that the Progress Party had 30 percent support the spring. Then I thought, “Now it seems that there is actually a change of government.” – Where a party is actually cultural conservative. Then I began to doubt what I was doing because I planned a large and deadly action. If there is a change of government, and it is a party that is culturally conservative, what should I do? Then I started getting a little faith in democracy. I thought maybe I was wrong, and democracy. Maybe not the media scuttles Progress this time. – Maybe they’ve done it for 15 years, but maybe they do not do it this time. Then I thought, what should I do now? I have invested so much time in this. If there is a change of government and as a result, Norway places itself on the Danish level of cultural and immigration, I’m not going to do any action at all.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Then I ask you directly what you are saying is that if the Progress Party had won the election in 2009, it would have been a consequence that …

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, that’s not what I say. What I am saying is that if the Norwegian media had followed the rules for once and not had a torpederingskampanje the Progress Party (…)

Behring Anders Breivik: – So, I had not carried out an attack. Regardless of what the result had been.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Berries, go a little further now. Media point is understood.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – What do you mean the word democracy?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Democracy is a democracy and a democracy where the majority controls. There is a majority dictatorship. What is the basis for a democracy, the assumption is that there is a free press. When you end up a situation where not only half, but certainly all the major news agencies, not only in Norway but throughout Europe, supporting cultural Marxism and multiculturalism is not the case. – So there is no basis for democracy. For there is no freedom of speech. When there is no democracy. When people are not informed about what’s going on. This is the premise of democracy gone.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Breivik, I’m going back where we started today. Then yesterday and the topic we’ll talk about today is difficult to hear. Many will perceive that your explanation on difficult technical details. Can you say something about why that is?

Behring Anders Breivik: – So it is in many ways a protection mechanism. So firstly, if one at all should be able to carry out such a barbaric action, then you have to work on his own psyche for many years. It is known in military circles as well, one can not send an unprepared person in action, one must be prepared, mentally. – For me, using a technical language avemosjonalisert only option. I could not be conducted this trial or interrogation by the police if I had used plain language. It would not have been possible.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – What are some examples of experiences that have made ​​an impression on you, emotionally?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is an important question, people will say that the person who successfully complete 22 July can not possibly be empathetic. He must be a monster, from a different planet and emotionally blunted. But again, there to prepare and train up. But you ask if I have empathy and emotions. And you could say I was pretty normal until 2006, when I started a-vemosjonaliseringen through meditation. – Like all those I know can attest, they will describe me as a very likeable person who is genuinely caring to close and friends and in general to all, but when it comes to build up an enemy, you choose to use tactics dehumanizing …

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – What do you mean by dehumanizing?

Behring Anders Breivik: – To be able to attack anyone, no matter in what way, you have to justify it to yourself. Norwegian media said that it does not matter, we can attack Breivik because he is a monster. It’s understandable. Norwegian soldiers in Afghanistan they do not see Afghans as equals. They look at those inferior cave dwellers.

Behring Anders Breivik: – If they had not had that view, they had not managed to kill them. This is fundamental prinispper used in warfare. You meet the enemy face to face, you will not be able to kill him. I have been a dehumaniseringsstrategi to be able to kill someone. – If I had not done it in a very careful way, so I had not done it. So I have used the same way.

defender Vibeke Hein consequences: – The term “strategy” I understand that as a conscious choice you have made. It’s something you have chosen to do?

Behring Anders Breivik: – You do not really have any choice if you want to kill someone. One can not do it unless you prepare mentally very thoroughly. It takes two years of training and it is extremely difficult even with the training. But there is a choice I made to practice it.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Do you understand that enough people sit and wonder if you can feel sorrow for other things? Can you name some examples?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Well … [Breivik think about.] I think probably I was reasonably normal emosjonsmønster before 2006 before I started the workout. After 2006 and after training, then one could modify and manipulate their own sense of design and what I have said to all psychiatrists is that which enough is incomprehensible, is that my love for my ethnic group and my country is stronger than my love for me themselves. – And it’s probably quite logical too. Because a person will not sacrifice their lives for their country or a people, if love itself is larger than that of the country and the people. And when we arrive at the narcissistic again. A narcissist has basically the most love for themselves.

Behring Anders Breivik: – A narcissist would never sacrifice anything for anyone. But I understand that you draw that conclusion. Basically, I feel a great love for this country, the culture and my people. And it might not be normal but that I am. I think many people are nationalists. [Breivik you do not respond to defense counsel's questions, said the judge]

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – I want down on the lower level. When did you feel something that had nothing to do your ideology? I think of a specific episode, a funeral.

Behring Anders Breivik: – There are many examples, as many witnesses can tell that I am an emotional person under normal circumstances. An example is a funeral I was with my friend NN, it was his brother’s funeral, and I thought maybe it was the saddest day I have experienced. – I was the one who wept most of the funeral. So … I illustrate, at least the picture drawn by me may not be entirely true.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Are you a social person Breivik?

Behring Anders Breivik: – From 2006 I have consistently isolated myself, for I knew that it would be a so-called impending suicide attack. I have chosen to isolate myself, to protect my closest. But I have been very social until 2006. And one year I took a sabbatical and decided to spread his isolated myself totally and completely. I looked at it as necessary, really.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – You have awnings that you isolated you, there were some who reacted to it? What did your friends then, when you went into isolation?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, well … In many ways, I broke with the friends I had. It was a choice I did myself because I knew what was to come. But they knew enough not quite what happened. – They thought I was a compulsive gambler and I could not give them a good answer on that. I could not say that I will carry out a suicide attack in a few years, so I must distance myself from you. I understand that they thought I was game-related. I played a lot on it, I used it as cover.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – So you bought, or rented to go to Vålstua farm. What did your friends then? Was there anyone who would come to visit you there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, there were several who wanted to come up and visit me, and for obvious reasons I had to do everything I could that it would not happen, so I just had to say that unfortunately is not possible that I keep on working and stuff like that. – But, there were a lot of pressure over time. They wondered why I wanted them to come up. It was a very great pressure eventually. On a couple occasions were they actually to run up and a couple of occasions I was forced to turn off my cell phone. One of the main reasons was probably that I had no street address. – There were no street address on the farm. They did not find out where the farm was. It was probably crucial.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Did you do any concrete agreements on a date they could get?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In the end it got a lot of pressure, and it was then … There were approximately 21 July, where I talked with one or two friends recently, and when I had the subject in two months, and so I said “Fine, you can come up next week,” with the knowledge that it would never happen.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – As I have just one question for you. And d is a term that hangs a bit after yesterday and I think you have to explain to us. It was “existential fear”. What does it mean? You used the example when the large outside the government building.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It’s probably wrong to use that word. What I was trying to say was that I ended up a “fight or flight” mode that lets you act instinctively and parts of the brain shuts down. The mode you end up in extreme circumstances. There is much research in that area and that was what I tried to explain.

defender Vibeke Hein consequences: – The research and what you’ve read about it, it will Lippestad ask you further details, I’m finished. Thank you.

defender Geir Lippestad: – Just one follow-up questions to what you have posted so far. If I quoted me correctly, so you said that all who fought against multiculturalism is seen as evil, it is the right quote?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes … Roughly speaking, one can say that.

defender Geir Lippestad: – The action that you performed, how it can change that impression?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The basis of that I lost faith in democracy is that I had tried all peaceful means. I have personally experienced that all peaceful means were useless. I had tried to engage myself politically, written essay without coming through. Then there was one chance left, and there was violence.

defender Geir Lippestad: – So it is your logical explanation for it. One more question, just before I go over to what I was talking about. Are there any states in the world, for you have mentioned some of it, there are some who have a government that is a pattern of state?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, Norwegian and European media do like to communicate that cultural conservatives and nationalists are anti-democratic and would like a terrorist City. The truth is that there are more than two states today as nationalists and cultural conservatives looking for. – The two countries are Japan and South Korea. They have taken away from cultural Marxism and mulitkulturismen from the 70′s. They have had problems with the Communists. But they are pattern states.

defender Geir Lippestad: – You have said that some of the main reason for what you have done, is the lack of freedom of speech in Norway and press censorship. Do you know anything about how the press conditions in Japan and South Korea? Is it better than in Norway, do you think?

Behring Anders Breivik: – [Breivik thinking for a while.] One can say that all countries … One must be honest enough to say that all countries have a state ideology that they are running on … And I expect that both Japan and South Korea is no exception. – I think perhaps enough Communists in the same positions in Japan and South Korea as nationalists in Western Europe. – Because Western Europe, Marxist, and Japan is the other way. Islamists in the Arab world have been badly treated. The “Arab spring” changed it, now controlled the Middle East of radical Islamists. I say that Europe is going to be controlled by radical conservatives in the future. It happened in the aarbaiske world and it’s going to happen in Europe.

defender Geir Lippestad: – Then I go over to what is my team. You have some theories that you build on some knowledge. You have told the prosecutor that you have studied up to 15,000 hours. And I might add that there is no disagreement that it is he who made the bomb. When you decide to make a bomb, I expect that there is something you already have. How did you go to obtain knowledge about making such a powerful bomb that you made?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I had no knowledge that, from 2002, but mainly I had to do new research. For the explosive agent I had knowledge of it was made almost impossible to produce it, for it is put so much restrictions …

defender Geir Lippestad: – Yes, and it is the researcher that you have done and when you went with it. I assume that there is a recipe on the web about it. You do not need to mention websites, but I want you to tell us a bit more about it.

Behring Anders Breivik: – The problem is that it is extremely dangerous to acquire these assets because they are flagged. Those who sell the customer provide their lists. I had to do lots of research associated with chemistry. I did research and got access to 600 guides to explosives. I thought the explosives that are realistic to make the basis of the procurement of the components. – Those who had been very popular among the al-Qaeda and others were difficult (…) and it was known that it was extremely difficult to make them. However, the components were easy to get in. I will try with one that was very difficult.

defender Geir Lippestad: – Yes, I understand, and we know that you did it. But I’m more interested in gaining an understanding of the process, i. How long did it take before you became aware of that, “I must make it and the fabric and combine it with them and the quantities to make a powerful bomb”?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Ehm .. research phase lasted perhaps one or two months. Procurement phase lasted one period. But then came to the point where you … none of the guides I could use … [Lippestad interrupts] – I found five different guides to how you made the acid but it assumed that they had advanced laboratory equipment. SO I had to experiment a bit.

defender Geir Lippestad: – How experimenting you do? What was it you did?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I tried the one and a guide and tried to put together a new guide, also I just had to experiment.

defender Geir Lippestad: – Made you a small laboratory on top there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes I made ​​a laboratory there.

defender Geir Lippestad: – But is it, to create a laboratory. Had you learned in high school, or where you had the knowledge from?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have previously told that I have 15,000 study hours, and I have spent some hours to study chemistry, it is one of the areas that I have invested some time in.

defender Geir Lippestad: – And it was prior to … Thus, when did you read the chemistry?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The stage was probably in the autumn of 2010 until 2011. [When did you learn about chemistry to create such a bomb? want Lippestad confirmation. Breivik answer yes]

defender Geir Lippestad: – You told me yesterday that because of new compounds in fertilizers, it is not so easy to make bombs any more. Is there anyone who has done this before, made such a bomb of this fertilizer, which you know about?

Behring Anders Breivik: – One can say that the most famous event is probably Timothy McVeigh who made ​​a bomb consisting of 98% ammonium nitrate. After the incident predict certain European governments to put some restrictions, so they made it impossible Z. .. The mixed ammonium nitrate from 98% to 85%.

Behring Anders Breivik: – As was the highest permissible level of the substance. There was a perception of all that it would not detonate. I have not heard of a bomb with the level of [substance] in.

defender Geir Lippestad: – So this mean you managed to create the bomb, there was research on your part?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was an experiment. It was likely that this is not going to detonate. But then I tried to mix in a couple of extra funds, but it was an experiment, yes. I think that most people claim that it would not detonate.

defender Geir Lippestad: – So you have not had any recipe. This is something you have found out for yourself. But this that you used four apertures that were used to crush … How was the idea? How did you find out that it was a good way to do it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I had to experiment quite a bit. I bought the manuals to use gravity to crush prilled. When I bought the 50-pound manual and thought the weight would crush prilled. I spent a long time on it. It did not work and was impossible. It was an unsuccessful attempt. I had many failed attempts there. I had to find new methods. I was afraid that if you used the mixmaster so it would detonate. – There was very little information about it online, but then I remembered an article I had read about the Baader-Meinhof. [Lippestad: You remembered it in your head?] His name was Andreas Baader well, I think. There, it emerged that he was in the 70s had bought miksmastere the 70′s and had broken the prilled that way.

defender Geir Lippestad: – So it was just information that you searched and found after a while?

Behring Anders Breivik: – So it was unbelievable amounts of research that was required to find these answers.

defender Geir Lippestad: – You mentioned another example, yesterday, that when these prilled was broken, you had to put it into bags. How did you find out?

VG: – Breivik explains how he did this.

defender Geir Lippestad: – I think we could put a lot of questions but we have got the impression that it is complicated toe create such a bomb and it is not readily available process. But the small processes were your thoughts on the great process you were inside that you made the big bomb?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was all the time as a backdrop. It did

defender Geir Lippestad: – But that one ton. How did you come up to it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I really needed three tons. I would make three bombs. – That I considered was to take the truck patch. I was in the process of taking it. [It was something you ask Rated Lippestad] When you have a Class B driver’s license that limits the vans to a load of 1200 pounds. And it is simply a limitation. I could have used a 3-ton bomb on the day but the car could be broken in two. So it was a vehicle restriction.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Vehicles are restricted, you say. But did you or did you have any knowledge of how much damage the bomb could have, or was it a bit like “I hope that …”

Anders Breivik Behring – I had two primary reference points, one was WTC93, which was detonated in the basement of the World Trade Center in ’93 by Al-Qaeda, and the other was Timothy McVeigh. – There are two known events, but what kind of knowledge you had about the bombs that were used there? How did you know? – The U.S. government has made it difficult to find out what really happened. There are many estimates and how big the bomb was. Some say the bomb was at 600 pounds, the second was 3,000 kilograms.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – But did you read anything about it? Did you do some reviews if you needed a bomb on [various sizes]?

Anders Breivik Behring: – No, I did just a mistake like that set, because I believed enough in the one theory that the Oklahoma bomb was of 600 kg, but as I learned afterwards that it was of 3000 kg.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – I am not that concerned about whether there were fewer kilograms or not, I am interested in how you obtained your knowledge?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It is simply impossible to calculate. Velositeten [Breivik says little in detail here] unless you have extreme expertise in that area. It was really an assumption that the first would fall down.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – All the knowledge you had, you talked to some other people about it or collected it all yourself?

Anders Breivik Behring – I obtained information from someone I know who is affiliated with KT network, but the problem was that he had knowledge of a different type of explosives, which I was not interested in.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – So it was a completely different bomb? (If confirmation from Breivik) You also said yesterday that the bomb was in the white car, it was the direction located. What does it say that a bomb is placed and the direction of how you can control a bomb?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It is possible to increase velositeten. (…) Built up the bags in a certain way when the pressure wave in one direction becomes more powerful.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – And the knowledge about it? [Breivik, I had acquired quite a few guides related to (...)] – The guides, they had to get from the internet? [Breivik confirms it.] How many do you have a number on it?

Anders Breivik Behring: – That’s seven hundred guides on quite a few areas. [Lippestad ask how many of those who were for directional control] It was perhaps thirty guides for this by directional bombs.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – How did you know about the location of the car. You had to put it somewhere else than what you intended to. There was another car parked where you intended. Precisely so, what impact did it?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Because I had to park the car as I did, the detonation 30 percent less. [Lippestad: Why?]

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Yes, exactly, so … but when you had been on reconnaissance .. when you looked at the building, it was when you found out where you should put your car?

Anders Breivik Behring – I had earlier reconnaissance and knew how the parking was. I would drive in and park on the right. I ended up doing the opposite. It resulted that the detonation was much less.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – And did you know about it when you parked your car? [Breivik: Yes, I had it. ] – Knowledge of building … Engineering, to put it that way, it’s something you have, it is something you need to place a bombebil?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Aboslutt. Thus, the whole essence of it is that it must be within several meters of the building. If it is further away from the building it has drastic consequences for Detonation, – So how construction is and how the building is from is important. Buildings before 1960 were not built for earthquake protection, among others.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Do you know when the tower block was built? [Breivik: It was built around 1960 I think, and it was built as the Government House and probably the most robust building in Norway at that time.] – Have you studied it in any other way than to just put it outside, or, Have you any thoughts on how solid it is, to put it that way? Breivik: Yes, I have considered these columns to other buildings. I thought that it could take quite a bit, and therefore was one of the worst goals in Oslo. I calculated that the building would not collapse, but at least the outer row of columns.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – I told a little knowledge you have about the bomb and onto another topic where you can also have knowledge in the preparation phase. You told us yesterday that you knew who was present political summits. You mentioned Støre and Harlem Brundtland and Stoltenberg. How did you know that they should be on the island?

Anders Breivik Behring: – What I did was go to aufs website. There were programs for the week. How did I know who would be there when.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – When was it you did it?

Anders Breivik Behring – I reconnoiter Utøya three weeks before the 22 July.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – But let us not dwell long on it. But when you obtained the knowledge of who was on the island two to three weeks before, can you tell us why you did it?

Anders Breivik Behring: – The reason for this was that I wanted to frame primarily Gro Harlem Brundtland, or Minister. I calculated that the Minister would have two to three armed guards. There was an assumption. In that case, so I assumed that I would have been killed or injured. Gro Harlem Brundtland, I figured that it would only be an armed guard.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – So you made ​​these types of assessments in order to reach as you see it? [Breivik: It is the equipment that you choose for the various actions] – You said something about the equipment you assumed that the police and Delta would have, and you used the name of any vests that you thought they have. What are their jackets again?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It is called SAPI, sapiplater. [Lippestad: - How do you know that it's bulletproof?] The phases which I have described earlier, there are phase armor, weapons, explosive phase phase. Before each phase, I spent several weeks studying how it worked. Bullet-proof everything.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Where did the information come from? [I obtained it from the internet, says Breivik] – Can I just go in and retrieve it on the internet? [Breivik: As long as you know what you are looking for.]

Anders Breivik Behring: – Delta uses a weapon that … I bought the armor that I knew would endure, it is a very weak weapon, so just select armor that can withstand bullets, so I choose the weapons that I know will penetrate their armor, then.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Was there anything you tried out or had practical exercises on the equipment. [Breivik: The starting point is that militant nationalists see the police as their brothers and military as well. In the future, if there is a coup d'etat, we must have cooperation with them. We want to avoid confrontation with the police. This was, in fact if I was attacked.]

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – You did not answer the question directly, if you had any training with it?

Anders Breivik Behring – I never tested the armor that I acquired, I did not, but theoretically, so it should work quite well.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – But … just an extension of it. In the case of the bomb. Did you have any nuclear tests then?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Yes it was a test explosion two kilometers from the farm in a desolate place. It was a very critical thing, you can be exposed by detonating a charge of course. I decided one day it thundered so that it would not attract attention. I did a detonation [said ingredient] As a result of the nuclear test as did the acid cleaner.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – You said one thing yesterday, that you had studied other attacks from terrorists in the world and how they had received attention. What kind of studies and what knowledge are you talking about it? You said, among other things, that there was no point in adding a bomb in the mail for him as a former Minister of Justice.

Anders Breivik Behring: – That I’ll get into later, the right’s radical tradition of armed resistance …

Defense Geir Lippestad: – What I am concerned, there are some attacks that you think they got attention, a scope, making this type of assessment to determine what goals you should take?

Anders Breivik Behring: – In principle, one can say that before 9/11 that did not exist al-Qaeda and it was a marginalized organization. 9/11 created the al-Qaeda and today it is the most successful revolutionary organization in the world.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – But the question is not so. When you choose to put it brutally Utøya and government building as a goal, you did it to raise awareness. What attacks do you have studied and it was specific attack you have studied, in order to conclude that when I would arrive with my case?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I have just mentioned the attacks I have studied before, but it is well known that’s unfortunately that in order to shed light on an issue, then you have to get attention, and politically motivated violence has been used for thousands years to get attention, and if you want to reach, not only in Norway but in Europe, it must unfortunately a very … Thus the shock effect is as large as possible.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – But where did this knowledge come from? Is there anything …. [Interrupted by Breivik]

Anders Breivik Behring: – Knowledge is based on the effect of al-Qaida attacks. [How have you been studying al-Qaida asking about Lippestad] – Firstly, the conditions for al Qaeda, Islamism. One can say that the Ottoman Empire was really al Qaida. After that ottmanske kingdom is the only al Qaeda who represents Islam. I’ve studied a lot of actions, what they have done wrong and right. Exactly what is needed to attract attention

Defense Geir Lippestad: – But now we were inside the core of my question. You’ve studied, you say, but I wonder how? How have you been studying Al Qaeda?

Anders Breivik Behring: – There are case studies online.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – How do you find such kind of case studies? [It is found on the net, says Breivik]

Anders Breivik Behring: – What’s in Arabic and some are in English. [Lippestad: What do you do when you find an Arab source that you are studying?] – What I’ve done is that I translated certain words in Arabic to English, so I try to look up the Arabic sources, they are often much more detailed than the English.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – How long … [Judge wonder if Lippestad think of break soon] Well, then fit it really to take a break now.

VG: – Breivik is followed out by police officers, and talk a bit with Lippestad before he goes out. – It is right to break in to the 10:40….

Original article: Dag 5, ord for ord: – Ville ikke drept hvis medier respekterte Frp

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Google translation [edited for clarity]:

Day 5, word for word: – Tries not to comprehend the families’ suffering
4/20/2012

Read Friday’s second part of prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden questioning by Anders Breivik Behring below:

VG: – The judges are now in court.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – As negotiations continue.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Breivik, I have asked you some questions about the preseason and how you acquired your knowledge, and so little about how you did versus the social event. There are not many questions again, but I think they are important. Can you keep a little bit where you were, what you have studied al-Qaeda’s actions?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Let’s see. In other words. One may say that it was created after 9/11. after that, there have been the biggest security risks for Europe, if we are to believe in the intelligence agencies say. And al-Qaeda also have a propagandadel, including a magazine called Inspire.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Is there a magazine that you read in any way?

Anders Breivik Behring: – There is endless information to Inspire I have access to, which is also used by militant nationalists.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – But this is the magazine readily available? If it is released by al-Qaeda, it is perhaps not so readily available?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Unless it gets hacked by the CIA and it will be added to muffins recipes, it is available. Now of course those who make it have been killed, but it was available earlier.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – And that magazine, I read you?
Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Judge Arntzen has set right after the break. Now you want Lippestad and hear Breivik explain how he has studied al-Qaeda terrorist attacks. Arntzen is the court’s administrator management negotiations. She has since 2009 been a member of the EOS range, such as conducting inspections of PST, but the job makes her not disqualified, according to the district court.

Anders Breivik Behring: – I have gained access to some information, yes. [As it was, ask Lippestad] It was well after 2006, between there and 2011. And a well-known strategy for al-Qaida is to camouflage emergency vehicles. You kill a certain number of people and then comes a vehicle and kill emergency personnel. It is not appropriate for me. – But that’s where I got the idea for FedEx uniform and police uniform. [Lippestad: Through this magazine?]

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Are there other things you got inspiration from there? You mentioned having a major attack, and then have a second attack, when the emergency personnel, but there were other things in these actions you are charged?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It was not really the most use of vehicles and information related to vehicles that I have learned from these sources. The problem with militant Islamists is that they are obsessed with explosives, so they shoot based events I was not from them. – But I have learned a lot and have learned a lot of al-Qaeda. [Lippestad follow up: If you can estimate how much time you have studied al-Qaeda and their working methods. Are we talking an hour or one hundred hours?] – There are very many series that have been made, numerous documentaries, war movies, where it is perhaps not very much can learn, but one or two things. If you look at enough documents, you can learn a lot. There has been information retrieval through the usual pop culture.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – In addition to that you simply have read the al-Qaeda’s own magazine? [Breivik: - Yes.]

Anders Breivik Behring: – In the compendium, I have done a case study of many revolutionary organizations and assessed what the strengths and weakness of each one and them. Everything from the FARC, ETA, IRA and al-Qaeda. – I’ve studied the weaknesses and strengths. I have concluded that the most successful today, al-Qaeda. This is because they relate to their martyrdom operations. They embrace death as Japanese Bushido uses. It is the key to successful resistance.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Breivik, your defender asked you if you have an estimate on timescales of these studies.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – If you think all the groups you have studied, then? [Breivik: - Hundreds of hours.] Many hundreds of hours. When you say that you study the weaknesses and strengths of those you study, you can cite an example of when a weakness of ETA and a strength?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Well, the weakness of communist organizations like ETA is that they fear death. They do not dare to carry out a suicide attack. Communists do not believe in an afterlife and it is their major handicap. – Carlos and a few others. They fear death. It is their major handicap. Al-Qaeda, they glorify martyrdom, it is the great great advantage they have.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Is it correct to say that knowledge of the martyrdom of you from al-Qaeda?

Anders Breivik Behring: – No, it is wrong, and it is good quest, there are three krigerkodekser related to martyrdom. Muslims pray five times a day and hammering away fear in the way, while the Christian Crusaders had their codes, they used prayer. Prayer worked a little for me, but not so much. Then I had to look in other krigerkodekser, and when I chose the Japanese Bushido-Code of meditation, a combination of prayer and work for me.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – VI shall not continue longer in some farms in the different directions that you have studied. But shure you have read this from 2006 to 2011, it seems that you have studied this quite a bit, what have been your focus then? Has there been a curiosity, or what has been your focus?

Anders Breivik Behring: – The starting point has always been that this would be a suicide mission. The primary motive of the mission were two things. It was to provide a compendium that contains valuable information. The second was to start a witch hunt for moderate conservative culture. – To contribute to increased polarization. [Lippestad: But when you have studied from 2006-2011, when found on the internet and around the ... [interrupted by Breivik] – The basis is to gather the most relevant information to include in the compendium. All the studies I have done has been because of that it should in the compendium.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – And you have explained the purpose of taking action was to spread the compendium. [Breivik: - Yes, that's right.] I go a little over to another field, you must have studied in the preseason. – I now come to another field that you obviously must have studied in the preseason. You have carried out a major terrorist act and was not detected. Can you say how you plan and how you obtain knowledge about the bomb not to be discovered.

Anders Breivik Behring: – Well, the starting point for planning is that you have to steel herself that this is going to be a very lonely affair. You get minimal assistance. Normally, nothing.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Why was it important for you to be lonely?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Dessverrre, such as the European etterretningsorgansiasjoner are today … they are so skilled, they do a good job that it is impossible to build up a large traditional organization today. Although only two to three people, 90% chance of being caught. – [Lippestad: How do you know?] It is based on studies I have done and probability calculation to be taken when one is three, two and one. If you are three people is 90 percent chance of being caught. 60 percent if one is two. 30 percent if you are one person. If you are the flag before you can forget about explosives. Then it’ll just go with a firearm based action.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – We have heard that you have isolated yourself and there is a theme that you have isolated yourself. Why do you feel isolated?

Anders Breivik Behring: – By necessity, really. Of course, everyone will surely have a community and fight together, but the expertise to PST is so solid and they are so skilled at what they do that one is forced to use éncellesystem. Unfortunately for us, but lucky for them. Of course, the best had been a huge revolutionary organization with a hierarchy, but the only thing that works is a éncellenettverk as KT.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Right. Pst, how they work … how do you know?

Anders Breivik Behring: – If you compare the Stasi and PST had Stasi informants in every living increase. However, PST is based on the homogenous Norwegian society. That we are an ethnic nation, and trust each other. The trust is lost in multi-culture. [Lippestad interrupts]

Defense Geir Lippestad: – I understand, but to stick to the question: How do you know how PST works and thinks. It is open to all. There is something of the purpose of it.

Anders Breivik Behring: – There is not really through studies of various forums and … So you get an idea of ​​how it works. One can also learn a lot of popular culture. Police series and movies and … You also know that all outlets that sell components are monitored, and you must assume that all customer lists are submitted.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – For example, when you bought the fuse to the bomb. [Breivik: - It was a great risk] Yes, why was there a risk?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I was fully aware of the customs authority reports its findings to the intelligence authorities. Then they take a check and they find nothing and then everything will be okay. But the purchase had to be bought in December when it was near New Year’s Eve. One had to have a good history to cover the dealer that it was not the flag. Lippestad: So you ordered the fuse in December that it would look like it was a New Year’s rocket? – In addition, we know that the item is then flooded with packages, and they have less opportunity to check the packages in the period. – There is such little things you need to think about all the time. There may be hundreds of such modification you have to take.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – It was to go under the radar to PST?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Another point is the cover for my IP address. [Lippestad: - Say something about it.] – You use a service that masks your IP address, such as Anonymizer two networks, which allows them to be more anonymous online.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – But it was too å .. Why did you do that? Why would you be anonymous online?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It was to prevent that one could be flagged. If it was an extremely forum would perhaps forum moderator, if he wanted, to get information about who was on board he would have received but a false IP address.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – The fact that you masked address was to preserve the anonymity? [Breivik: Yes] Faced with whom?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Faced with people who could have reported it. For PST, for example.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Are there other things you did to stay away from the radar to PST or others who might be interested in what you were doing?

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: From the witness stand explaining Breivik is now calculated on the precautions he took before the 22 July to stay under the radar to the Norwegian intelligence authorities. He says among other things, that he ordered the fuse to the bomb just before New Year’s for not making a fuss. He believed that it would be a smaller chance of being detected, since people might think that it was a New Year’s rocket. Breivik also used anonymity services on the internet to hide their IP address.

Anders Breivik Behring: – Basically, one can not express extreme. One must constantly reconcile yourself to what is the limit for disclosure of the various places on the web. As long as you arrive with the rules and adapting to, it is unproblematic.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – So you watched what you said?

Anders Breivik Behring: – All the time then you have the more careful not to attract attention and make radical expressions.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – How do you know what is a radical expression of the PST, or for search engines to catch up. You’ve said things that were responded to yesterday. How do you know?

Anders Breivik Behring: – What one considers when looking thread, considering Mon. what the intention is for this individual. To a large extent I have been obvious that I have written a compendium. The intention is to write. I used consistently a book to prevent people thought I had other intentions.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Does it mean that you understand that people online have reacted if you had said what was your intent with 22 July?

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: In the police interrogation has Breivik explained on an episode where a car antennas parked next Vålstua farm where he made ​​fertilizer bomb at 950 pounds. He believes that this was PST.

Anders Breivik Behring: – Absolutely. And I think probably you will find the many rabid statements around, which may seem quite extreme, but you can probably conclude that most of them are harmless. Those however are intelligent enough to pose a threat, they are too intelligent that they are discovered.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Yes, we know that there was someone who found something in you that you were discovered. Now we are going over to a different theme, where we are dealing with the ability to adapt without it might be an appropriate name. We are talking about the days in July when you were doing your preparation. It happened quite a few things that caused you to change your plans. You had such plans in three bombs instead of one. When you realized that you would not be able to make three bombs, but just one … can not you tell us about what you reflected upon then?

Anders Breivik Behring: – During the planning was an issue all along that there were problems so I had to adapt. My original plan failed time and time again, about 20-30 times. I came into a situation where I asked myself what do I do now. I was about to give up because it was incredibly difficult. I had to adapt.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – If for example we take the example that you said yourself, that you 22 July to park your car and you got no place where you intended. Can you try to help us with what assessments were you doing? “It is a car where I was going to park.” What did you do?

Anders Breivik Behring: – The mode that I was then, the brain functioned limited, because I was in the “fight or flight” mode. When I went in there, so I observed that there was a car there, and I just had to adapt to the original plan by changing the whole strategy. Something I forgot to say yesterday was that in the second where I actually lit the fuse, it was quite powerful gases that flowed out of that hole I had made. So I thought that these gases are going to detonate, and I will die as soon as I light the lighter. But it did not happen.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – So are we to another assessment … or assessment process. You testified yesterday that you heard on the news and found out the extent bomb had done. So you said that if it had done more damage and the bomb had fallen block, you had perhaps not gone further. Can not you tell us about when you decided to go to Utøya and what was your assessments.

Anders Breivik Behring: – The starting point for action was not killing as many as possible but to send a powerful message and ensure that the compendium was distributed. So I knew all along that if the first action will be 100 percent successful and the building collapses and dies in it’s Utøya unnecessary, and I can drive down to Greenland and surrender myself. So I had the P4 to get the update. The attack failed when the building did not collapse. On the basis of the information, I decided to implement the action as well.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – So there was a review you did there and then? [Breivik: That is correct.] When I have a few questions again about how you have functioned socially in the period 2006-2011. We know you moved back home to your mother. Did you eat dinner together? Did you talk together? How was it?

Anders Breivik Behring: – No, I have always had a good relationship with my mother. I have not really had a good relationship with my family. The only thing, my father, that I had three siblings, and my father did not want contact with their children. At that time I had a stepfather, NN, so it worked really quite well.

Anders Breivik Behring: – You have to get some hobbies, go with friends and so on [Breivik said this to his mother] Even though I lived there we lived separate lives. We may have spoke a total of one time per day.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Are there others who were visiting the apartment, stopping in between. Was there any other people?

Anders Breivik Behring – I had .. It played absolutely no role. I’ve always had a very good relationship to remind mother. It has never been any significant disputes. We ate together … she is early retirement, and I said she had to get a hobby. She said that “my only hobby is you.” – No, it was not really so very many people who came there, sometimes there were some friends of her. If I wanted to make friends, so I went instead to them. [Lippestad: - But did you know?] Yes, I did it. And in that time so … The last six months especially, I was part of the friends.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Are those some of those same friends who come here later? [Breivik: - Among other things]

Anders Breivik Behring: – We have been enjoying for many years. I’ve known since I the eleven years. We have been together the whole time until I distanced myself from them in 2006. In 2002, I chose to work 12-14 hour days. The friendship has lasted and we had contact.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – What’s stepfather, stepmother. Have you been to visit them in that period?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It has been well … NN, I have not spoken to for quite a while. [Narrator here with contact with the stepfather.] I have had some contact with everyone, really. [Indicates that he has had regular contact with the sister.] Because I could not tell her what I was doing, I said that I had some problems and stuff, I’ve been a compulsive gambler, etc. – But unfortunately I could not tell what really happened, that I planned this. So it was really quite convenient that she believed it. It was really convenient for everyone.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – But your sister once a month, there were letters, mail or phone?

Anders Breivik Behring: – There was contact by telephone and email contact. She has not been in Norway for many years. [About her sister who lives in the United States]. Lippestad: Yesterday you said that you attach hard when you attach. What do you think about it? – No, we’ve been, I’ve been a regular there since I was maybe 16-18. I put quite a lot until I was 22, 23 From 2002-2006, I have attached part, I have attached a little less after that. A few times a year, and when we go out and partying as usual.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – “Sometimes”, it is once a year, or three, five or ten or?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Last year in 2010 and 2011 there were at least once a month. Maybe a little more often. [Lippestad: With who?]

Anders Breivik Behring: – When I went out with friends, we had afterparty and went out as usual. [Lippestad: How did you do?] Breivik: Age My team, who live there, we used to take most of the items. Or Solli place.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Pub, restaurant .. what do you do?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It is a bit from regular clubs to places where they sell food as well. [Lippestad: This is from 2010, was the same group of friends?] – It was until 2011, at the end. It was not really until the end [Lippestad: When was the last time you were there.] – Maybe a month before.

Defense Geir Lippestad: – Thank you, I have no further questions.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Has assistance attorneys a question?

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – If you look around here in the hall and look away from those journalists who are here, have you formed any thoughts about who they are?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I see mostly families and victims that I have destroyed lives, and which I have created unimaginable suffering for.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Are you also aware that this matter be transferred to many other courts in the country [Breivik: - I am aware of it.] Do you know how many [Breivik: - Is not it 17?] – The number of thousands of people who are dramatically affected by your actions? [It's probably more than that, says Breivik] Do you know what you have done to them?

Anders Breivik Behring – I think it is cruel. I can not say I have the ability to comprehend the suffering I have caused. I have no ambition to try sometime. [Larsen: But I ask you to try now.] – I do not think I had managed to conduct this trial without having tried to avemosjonalisere myself. If I were to attempt to comprehend the suffering I have caused, I had not been able to sit here, or live, after 22 July. – But I know what I have done, I know what I have caused, but I will not make any attempt to take it upon me, because I do not think one person has the capacity to do so.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – But you said that you have implemented the strategy. If one takes the word empathy, what do you mean by the word?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It is putting into the other’s situation, in principle. [Larsen: Can you tell us more about it. Is it possible for you?]

Anders Breivik Behring: – It is possible for me, yes. If I choose to do so. [Larsen: - Can you choose to do it?] No. – [Larsen: - Try to take it over you] I have no chance. I would have broken down mentally, I would have removed the mental shields I have.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – But yesterday we saw other people who broke down and went out. Is it a problem that you break down?

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Several survivors and relatives look down on the floor when Breivik explains why he chooses not to show emotions.

Anders Breivik Behring – I feel that my interest is to help prevent our culture and our ethnic group is deconstructed. I understand your interest, but 22 July is not for me, whether family members or me. It’s about the future of Norway’s and Europe’s future. But I respect the position you respect, but I have other interests right. And choose to take it over me. It is perhaps difficult to comprehend in Western Europe. In Western Europe, men are feminized, it is customary to show emotions. But in large parts of the world, men are taught not to pop to show emotions. Men should not show emotions. These are ideals that I share, and therefore I have for years chosen not to show emotion, and I can show emotion, but it is a choice.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – How should we understand the argument against that you sat and cried when you saw your movie on the big screen?

Anders Breivik Behring – I had not been prepared for the film. It’s a film that represents the struggle that many Europeans have been fighting to prevent losing what they love most. It is a film that represents everything I love. – What I love is not the same as those they love. [Then it was legitimate for you to show your emotions? Yvonne Larsen follow-up] – To put it bluntly, my emosjonsregister works differently than a normal person emosjonsregister. My registry can be compared to a bansai soldier during World War II. You will probably understand more if you compare a bansai warrior and me right here and now. – But I can choose to remove the mental shields that I build and maintain every day through meditation, but I choose not to do it, to survive.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Only a oppfordrinngsspørsmål. As for the bushido-codecs. How long were you working on this when you should remove your empathic feelings?

Anders Breivik Behring – I started in 2006. When I did it every other day. I’ve done it every other day since 2006.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Every day from 2006 and without the strategy, how would 22 July has been then?

Anders Breivik Behring – I had not managed to implement 22 July without it.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – I will a little further to see how you look at yourself. [Will present a document Breivik not prepared. Breivik gives permission that it is okay] I’m looking for you to say something about this notion that we find there that is called “show mode”. When will you be in “show mode” – During the trial I will be in “show mode” and will be selling a message, it says. Can you elaborate on it when you said it to an expert dry ice?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I guess what I really have said already. If you consider me as a person, you must consider me as a seller. I am a foot soldier for the conservative revolution. I look at what I do, 22 July as a job, not just a job but a life. And that life is to do everything I can to save Norway and Europe.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – So there are a few key words that we can be based in. The difference between “we” and “I”. Why do you say sometimes “we”?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I have absolutely no vague identity experience. I say “we”, I talk about other nasjonalkonservatister I and others in Europe. It’s that simple.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – I will grab something from the first expert statement. Can you read other people’s thoughts? [Breivik interrupts].

Anders Breivik Behring: – Just to comment a little more on the first question, it is a universal principle from the sale. When you represent something, try to create some depth, perhaps unprofessional, but to serve a purpose. In some settings we use we have to emphasize that not only am I sitting here.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – There’s this if you perceive that you can read others’ thoughts?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It is from Asbjornsen and Moe’s report. I never said that I do.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – I would like you to call the experts by their proper names. [Breivik: What I have explained to them that I am good at reading others and body language. And they have interpreted that I can read others' thoughts]

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – So then it is a key word, and forget what the experts looking at you. How do you see your own sanity?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Well, this thing is very simple. I am not a psychiatric case, and I’m sane. And I was shocked when I read the report.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – Excuse me, Judge. For the record, we will take this up with forensic quite extensive on Monday.

Anders Breivik Behring: – (…) .. Something as fundamental, something so extreme, one can imagine that this is irrational and insane. There is a difference between political extremism and insanity in the clinical sense.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – I’ll go ahead and there was a question. Why you chose the government building that bombemål? Had the security there or how you could dismiss the importance of car bomb that you chose the government building that bombemål?

Anders Breivik Behring: – But by Hammersborg square was the building work, so it was not possible to get into a car there from that side. – Access to the main entrance, that it was essential? I had been following the issue of putting up barriers. And I was very concerned about the al-Qaeda boys were taken last year that it would expedite the process. So I was afraid that these idiots had ruined for me. But then there were two entrances to the quarter.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – In the interview you say a sentence: The primary argument for the assessment has been that the government quarter has been a goal as long as you can run into. Was that how you saw it?

VG: – Breivik explains and says: It could theoretically be done without running, but it’s true what you say.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – When you heard on the radio that it was al-Qaeda who had been blamed on the day, what thoughts did you feel that they got the blame?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It was very natural. Up to 22 July was not militant nationalism in the spotlight. So The only logical conclusion was that it was militant Islamism. So it was quite natural that they thought it was Muslims.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – But what are you doing? You have mentioned the al-Qaida in recent days.

Anders Breivik Behring – I thought that now is it safe for any Islamic group that tries to take the blame / credit, depending on how you look at it. At the time I thought of some other stuff, but I heard it in the background.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – And then you said a bomb blast in government building were unsuccessful. I do not know if you have put yourself in the people you killed and wounded in the government quarter, so I’ll brush up a bit. There are many lawyers, there are security guards, it’s academics, that there are people who have a scientific basis for being there. Why did they die, really?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I can tell you. And it is a big problem for – if you want to call it politically motivated violence men – what goals should frame. What goals are appropriate to frame? Then it depends on whether militant Islamists who want to kill civilians or in my case: that they wanted to kill as few civilians as possible. – When you come in on part of what I have written in the compendium. How can one justify and what to focus on? Of course it was a caretaker there who have nothing to do with the operation. And then there are lawyers and you referred to that are not political activists, but working directly under the government. – The first goal had been then and gained access to a building where there were only Labor’s parliamentary politicians, government and the Prime Minister, but such a building, such a possibility does not exist. Therefore it was necessary to take the language that was closest to it. Government buildings are closest to the target

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – But you did not receive enough attention by the bomb blast, why did you go to Utøya at all? There are many here who are wondering.

Anders Breivik Behring: – Well, there is no question that I get attention, it’s not about me at all. What I heard on the P4 was that there was a person who had died. It was one of the reasons I decided. – I had a criteria to achieve the action a success and there were twelve fatalities. Had P4 reported I do not know what I had done, because there was one killed and the building was collapsing.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Because a radio station that reports to the contrary, this is not your responsibility, Breivik? Are not you responsible for the choices you made?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Of course. Everything is my responsibility. I have never denied responsibility.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – I’ll go further, these two KT-cells you are talking about. They supportive of this action?

Anders Breivik Behring: – That I have no idea. One can say one thing to want something. As I have explained in the interview. One is romantic until you have done an action. So it may well be that the one person who knew about the campaign regret later. But I do not know.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Many people wonder if the cells that you have mentioned [Breivik: I have had contact with six people.] The six people you had contact with, you could not get help from this network?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I could certainly have been given. [Larsen: - But you got it?] Thus, as I explained about the place … I can say that I chose not to take that chance.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Some also wonder, have you had contact with the English Defence League?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I have never had contact with the EDL. I have posted on a forum. I’ve probably written on forums related to EDL. But it also applies to many other organizations in Europe. But when I wrote moderate. When no one believed I was a militant.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Is there anyone who supports you, of these, English Defence League or Fjordman, they support you today?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Thus, EDL is an anti-violence organization that supports democracy. And they are against Sharia and Islamization. So they have nothing to do with KT at all. I am an ultra-nationalist. – And Fjordman, there are five other writers who have published essays that are available and that I could use. It is quite a coincidence that I used him. As he has written before, he has written that he is against violence. – So he and I have different views on most things.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – I am almost done, Breivik, but it’s probably quite offensive to those we represent. There you have great understanding, but you choose to say it anyway. Can you tell us about it?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Well … I represent a world that is so ulytt most people here, that I fully understand that they do not understand it. I have great understanding.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – But you only the very end, I asked you two days ago. I asked you what you had achieved. I remember you mentioned that “when the pressure support is removed.” Do you think that could happen?

Anders Breivik Behring: – On 22 July is not about me. It’s not about Utøya. [Yvonne Larsen interrupts]

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – You say: “When press subsidies are repealed.” Why do you say when, if you do not think it will be repealed?

Anders Breivik Behring: – There is probably no chance of that. I have already commented on it. I did not expect to survive the operation, and the commentary I’ve regretted, it should never be released. this conflict could be ended today if arrogant government in Norway and Europe had been willing to not block a group from the public. But as long as you are not willing to do so, then this is just the beginning.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Full finally, the word “coward.” What do you mean the word “coward”?

Anders Breivik Behring: – It is not relevant to what I put into it. [Yvonne-Larsen: Some would describe the action on Utøya and government quarter as a cowardly act, have you thought about it?]

Judge Wenche Arntzen Elizabeth: – Is assistance lawyers whether or not we have more questions?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Thus, theoretical ethics, it is, if I should not have been a coward so I had called the Norwegian military to a duel at the lake and they had set up with 20 (?) Bombers and 30 (?) tank against me. But when you are versus the massive strength that has all this to disposjon, one is forced to use asymmetrical warfare. The only advantage you have is the element of surprise. And this is an urban guerrilla war.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Thank you, administrator, then I’m done.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Coordinating counsel Siv Hallgren now takes over the questioning. She asks about the Masonic lodge. Breivik wonder how she has information she asks for from, since the Masonic Lodge is only reserved for men. Hallgren calmly responds that the information publicly available on the internet.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – You said you started with these Bushido exercises in 2006. The same welcome to this year reported to you in the Masonic lodge. Used you ever frimurerlosjens the opportunity to move up the ranks?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I have not much to tell about the Masonic Order. It runs on self-development. But you used it, therefore you developed yourself? – I learned a lot of the Masonic Order.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – How many meetings were you on? [The ten responds Breivik] When did you mean? [Maybe in 2011, responds Breivik] – But to what extent did you, were there any meetings, discussions, debates that were raised?

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Coordinating counsel Siv Halgren begins a question with details of the structure of the Masonic Lodge. – How do you know that woman? Ask Breivik. – Through the internet, answer Hallgren. Clearly the mass murderer is irritated several of her questions.

Anders Breivik Behring: – I was between 5 and 10 meetings. One of those was a lecture, and it was the rest were good meetings.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – The schedule says that four meetings you were on, it’s recordings in 2007, 2008 and 2009. – I will return to your faith and your sympathy for the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church does not recognize, even manslaughter. But choosing a form of suicide attack that you have explained it. Do you have any thoughts?

Anders Breivik Behring: – the Bible speaks of self-defense and a preventive attack is a self defense attack. It’s as advocated in the Bible. I’ve written a lot about it in the compendium, so I recommend you read the book three.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – My last issue, it’s culture. You say you love the Norwegian people and the Norwegian culture. Can you define culture?

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – And what about what we normally do in culture. For example, literature?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Literature is part of the culture. It is not that important to me. Thus Norwegian literature, what do you mean, then, poetry and fiction?

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – Yes, for example. I wonder if you are interested in it?

Anders Breivik Behring: – One can say that the heart of Norwegian culture, the Norwegian ethnic group. All that is in Norway, ranging from door handles to patterns of beer brands to behave. Everything is culture. Courtesy Fraser, addressing ways. Absolutely everything is culture. – I’ve included a few poems in the compendium, but beyond that is not the most important literature.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Attorney Elgesem you have any questions?

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – It is in the compendium included the police have found the coordinates for specific locations, which are encoded. What is the purpose of it?

Anders Breivik Behring: – What I’ve said to the police is that there is a coordinate with an error margin of 10 mil, and more than that, I have not spoken to the police, and I’m also not going to say to you.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Are we to believe that there are specific targets for anything, these coordinates [Breivik: - I will not comment on it] – Have you considered the LO and the Union as a legitimate target?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Yes, I have considered both. [Elgesem: And what is your conclusion] – LO is a key part of the labor movement. They are very much associated with the Labour Party and the government and a very large part of the political hegemony that prevails in Norway, so they are a very attractive target, but some ministries fall over.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Thinking about the entire organization, or are you when the country around?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not think about all the organizations. I think of the leaders of Trade Unions. The fact that they systematically keep the Progress Party and the conservatives from the management. They work for strong ties with the Labour Party. [Is that what you fear from them? Ask about Elgesem] – It is an undemocratic communist social model derived from the Soviet Union, it is not going to understand that the model understands in Norway 2012. They should stay far away from politics.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – If we go back to the story up to 22 July. You mentioned some instances of censorship that you had experienced in connection with the parliamentary elections of 2009. As for his own words, found that violent action was the only solution in 2006, did you have when experienced any form of censorship?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Well, I was intelligent enough to Z. .. [Elgesem: - Just answer the question] I’ve experienced censorship by over one hundred occasions. [Elgesem: - For example? ] – It is in that I observed others who were censored. And then I focused more after that. Intelligent people do it. One understands what is being printed and not. You know what is acceptable speech and not. It is not allowed to criticize multiculturalism.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – But you did not experience themselves? You were a kind of self-censorship, then, I understand.

Anders Breivik Behring: – I observed the many other writers that were censored, and I have over 100 examples.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – But why did you then still in 2009?

Anders Breivik Behring – I wanted to hear the rationale for TV2 and NRK. What could be the reason to not try this?

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – You think it was worth trying? [Breivik: I was curious, I guessed that they would say that it was not news worthy, and it was exactly what they said.] – On the first day so I noted that there had been offers of peace talks? Is that correct, or how to comment on that?

Anders Breivik Behring: – [Printer] Just to comment on the second question first. I remember I asked two questions to Hilde Scientist in an online debate. I asked, do not think it is undemocratic that it is not a single newspaper in Norway that are against multiculturalism? – So she said that: no it is not any particular conflict of interest in this area. It illustrates how ridiculous posture it is from the Norwegian media.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – That’s your opinion at least. But this with the peace talks?

Anders Breivik Behring: – [Breivik forced laughs] It’s a very pompous way of saying it. I know that militant nationalists today are not being taken seriously. – It is only a theoretical possibility, but it is not realistic because we are not taken seriously.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – One thing we talked in the first round about is Labor’s policy. One thing I have noticed. Journalists do you as a group, without distinguishing between. When it comes to politics is the hatred directed at the Labour Party. Why separate them? Breivik: One must distinguish, when I refer to journalists, I mean of course not sports journalists. What can one say? News agencies in Norway, who may exercise the most power in Norway and they abuse it as much. Those who are most responsible for multiculturalism is the Labour Party and the news agencies that support multiculturalism. – But if you should change immigration policy, it must be quite large changes in attitudes in society, must not it?

Anders Breivik Behring: – Yes, and here comes the media in ensuring that there is no real freedom of speech.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – You have stated that aufs summer camp was the most important that day. You said you wanted to frame Labor Achilles heel. What would be the consequences for the AUF after 22 July?

Anders Breivik Behring: – What you say now, it is not true. It was not Utøya which was the main goal that day, it was regjeringskvaraelet. When the H-block not collapsed, there was Utøya vikgiste goal that day.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – We can not go into the rhetoric, but you said it was the most important political goal that day, but … What do you hope happens with the AUF? What would happen?

Anders Breivik Behring: – If my plan had been successful, had absolutely everyone on the island died. Then there had been no AUF again, and certainly no leaders.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – How could you think that the AUF would disappear?

Anders Breivik Behring: – most of the leaders of the AUF, all branches send delegates to the island and those on the island is the leaders of all of Norway, most of the island was the leadership of the Labour Youth and the goal was to kill or execute all. What are the consequences it would have to AUF’s self esteem high. You asked why?

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – But what did you think would happen to the AUF, thought it would disappear as an organization, or?

Anders Breivik Behring: – No, absolutely not. The purpose of the two primary motives I mentioned earlier. There are a total of three subjects. First, it attacks the primary goal. – So it goes on to provoke a witch hunt for moderate conservative culture, and distribution of the compendium.

Anders Breivik Behring: – When did you start putting yourself into aufs policies and their summer camp. I have followed in the media for many years. I know they are on the left, they are extreme Marxists.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – What you justify it?

Anders Breivik Behring: – On their policies and their meanings.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – How have you found out?

Anders Breivik Behring: – They are for the deconstruction of the Norwegian ethnic group, our culture, they are textbook example of a multikuluralist.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Did you do some research on who was present on such a summer camp?

Anders Breivik Behring – I knew well, the only name I had was on that particular day was Gro Harlem Brundtland and Eskil Pedersen. – I also knew that all local associations send delegates. So primarily the leaders in Norway.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Was it possible for you to examine who else was there except the two you mentioned?

Anders Breivik Behring: – [Breivik think about.] Not beyond what I said now.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – You mentioned that you subsequently found out that 44 of those killed had the office. How have you found out?

Anders Breivik Behring: – I have received information that there was 44 of 65 who have leadership positions in the AUF. I knew from before that over half of which would have leadership positions.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – How did you know? [Breivik: Each local chapter sends delegates and it is the most active participants, so my assumption was that it would be over half who had leadership positions.]

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: A person leaving the hall when Breivik explains why he knows that 44 of the 69 victims in Utøya had leadership positions.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – But what did you do the research on the age of those who are there?

Anders Breivik Behring – I did not really know much about it. I tried to check the minimum age, that is the minimum age. I thought it was like other parties, that is 16 years. Thus, there was an assumption.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – You are not investigated but it was an assumption? [Yes, responds to the Brevik]

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – We take a break at one o’clock so we continue there.

VG: – Breivik applied handcuffs and as usual have a chat with the defenders on his way out. – The court pauses until 13:00….

Original article: Dag 5, ord for ord: – Prøver ikke å forstå pårørendes lidelser

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Google translation [edited for clarity]:

Day 5, word for word: Breivik describes killing mission in detail
4/20/2012

Read Friday’s third part of prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden questioning by Anders Breivik Behring below:

VG: – Breivik talking Lippestad and will soon put the witness stand. – The judge has arrived.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – You have any further questions Elgesem lawyer.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Yes, Behring Breivik, we continue with questions from us. I got a call during the break from colleagues who want a concrete answer to that violence is the most important tool. What Behring Anders Breivik even made to resolve the conflict before you took to violence?

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: The Court is now set for lunch break. Lawyer Frode Elgesem continues his questioning of Behring Breivik.Han Anders says he has received input from counsel colleagues in the interval of follow-up questions. – You say that violence is the ultimate instrument – what have you made other attempts to resolve the conflict you are in – before you took to violence, he asks. Breivik will talk about what his ancestors have done. Elgesem will not hear it, he will hear what he has done – give examples. Breivik says he has done everything but have trouble giving specific examples beyond that he was involved in a political party.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is probably fair to say what my ancestors have done [Elgesem: - No, it's you I wonder.] So I’m on my own afterwards. [Elgesem: - It is a very brief question, actually.] As is known, we are 3 generation of militant nationalists in Europe. I have done everything possible to do. For example, conventional political involvement essay-writing, dissemination of opinion pieces. All that is possible to do. – Absolutely everything. And the only thing that remained was the option I chose. And there was violence.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – But it is essay writing and debate are your experiments? [Breivik: when I was fifteen years I saw how society works

Behring Anders Breivik: - I have done absolutely everything possible to do, until I lost faith in democracy. [Elgesem: And that's what you have mentioned so far?]

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – You have divided the traitors in four categories, and said what the punishment is. For A, heads of state and so, the penalty is death, so is B, which is from the political parties, also the category C, less traitors, it is as fines and imprisonment, for Category D, there is no punishment. Did you, when you selected goals, some specific assessments regarding these categories?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Absolutely. We talked about it earlier. As I said … to first define the difference between a stationary target … probably the most political target in Norway … [interrupted by Judge Arntzen]

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Can you try to answer the question directly Breivik?

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Breivik now has a computer screen in front of him. He can see the excerpt that the players give an example from, among others from questioning and manifest. We have not seen this screen before.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, I have made ​​the considerations, yes. [Elgesem: And the AUF member or a guard or random passers-by?]

Behring Anders Breivik: – Primary … [Elgesem: - answer the question, Breivik.] Yes, but you must let me respond. The primary goal is SKUP conference, the second was the Labour Party’s annual meeting, when the two were impossible, then the Utøya the third best destination. – It was the best political goal in this period. That was why it was chosen.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – A church AUF members attending summer camp. Which category ends up in?

Behring Anders Breivik: – When I reviewed Utøya as a measure focuses on the overriding considerations. There will always be an indirect loss, and it will always be a few innocents who die. And Utøya was the best political target in Norway 22 July.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – If we look at the brand you wore your uniform. It says that you have a permit, a permit therefore, muliculti Traitor hunter permit. Does this apply to these categories of yours?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is called “moralbadges” as used in the same way in Afghanistan. It is a moral note. – There is a moral note just as it is for Norwegian soldiers in Afghanistan. [Elgesem: When did you get the mandate?] – It is the mandate we have given ourselves based on the universal human rights. [Elgesem: Does that mean that Anders Breivik Behring has given you?] – We have provided us with these permissions yourself and I have given myself this mandate.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – To hunt for A, B and C?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not put me up in a moral note. [Elgesem: Did you have such a license?] I gave myself permission to hunt. The objective is political activists. I focused on the category-A. C is an indirect measure. It is a mandate that all revolutionaries have. It is not something granted by a sovereign stat.for we have not in the back. [Elgesem interrupts very much now]

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – But at that time was the investigative conference and the Labour Party meeting which countries were the main target. Thought the AUF at that time?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There was a 3 targets at this time.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Were you thinking about summer camp? [Breivik: - I have thought of long summer camp] – But you are open for Category-C? [Breivik: With such a goal will always be category C traitors present] – But you did not have investigative and you did not congress, it was in April. And you moved into the Vålstua in May. What did you think when you missed SKUP and congress?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Primary operation has always been three car bombs, it has been the strategy all along, and what I said in the place, they had an alternative plan.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – But it would be a better reaction if you had hit SKUP most Labour Party national convention?

Anders Breivik Behring – I had considered it a more successful action if I had managed investigative conference. But I did not.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – And when did you discover that you can not make these three car bombs. When it dawns on you? [Breivik: At the end of June.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – That is correct.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – On Utøya you have already explained that your primary target, Jonas Gahr Støre and Gro Harlem Brundtland. [Breivik: - That's right] What did you do to reach them?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I worked as hard as I could to the range of dates. [Elgesem: How important was it for you to hit the?] It was very important.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – We have heard that on 21 July, when you come to Oslo, you’re tired and you decided to sleep longer.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No. That’s not what I decide. I was exhausted and I had failed to conduct an operation without sleep. There was no question of sleeping longer. It is essential to do everything, is sleep. There are biological needs.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – So I gave up Gro Harlem Brundtland, too?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was not an option anymore. Theoretically, if I had not encountered the problems through Outlook and the compendium.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Why did not you bend over backwards to reach at least Gro Harlem Brundtland?

Anders Breivik Behring – I needed a minimum of sleep, but … It would of course be possible that she was there even after the lecture and even spent the night. So I did not give up that goal, pack road if I knew I missed the lecture at 11

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – You did not. Is it true you were looking for both her and Eskil Pedersen there?

Anders Breivik Behring – I knew the likelihood was not so great anymore. But it could be there.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Because you explained earlier today, that if you were to go on the attack there, would you go in with full armor. But you did not it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No. But I was looking for both Brundtland and Eskil Pedersen that day.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Is it true that Utøya was an important goal to reach? [If confirmation from Breivik] – What protection did the people in Utøya then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There were three armed guards. [Elgesem: Since neither the Minister or the Brundtland was there, the protection was there when?]

Behring Anders Breivik: – I had assumed that it was the one armed guard, it was my assumption all along.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Did you get any information … we can get back to it afterwards. Back to the age of those who were there. Among the youngsters who died on Utøya, it was about half under 18 and down to 14 – It was about, it was less than half. [Judge: Lawyer Elgesem we can not repeat the questions that are asked] Now you go to countries where an unprotected group of young people and children?

Behring Anders Breivik: – my assumption was that it was a team of armed police on the pier, which protected the goal Utøya is.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Why did you not on your armor, then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was calculated risks. My intuition .. I had to bet on it. I could not switch armor out there.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – If the Minister had been there would you go in with full armor? [I went in without armor responds Breivik] – But this was clear to you after a while, but when you look at this in hindsight. You have killed 69 people there, many of them without protection. Is that a manly surgery?

Behring Anders Breivik: – We are fighting with the assumptions we have. If I called for a duel with the Norwegian army at the lake? Had it been manly, more manly? – You fight to achieve a goal and objective, it is important to me and other militant nationalists. And when we do what we can to achieve the goal no matter what it is.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – You will not answer the question, no? [Breivik: I have already done]

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Have the experts queried?

Law Psychiatrist Terje Tørrissen: – Breivik, what would be the reasons why the experts were to lie about what you have said in the report?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is a good question. I hope you can answer me on that. [Tørrissen: - You do not have a theory that you can get to? ] – I have a theory. They will come back to later when we talk about the report. I do not answer it until Monday.

Law Psychiatrist Terje Tørrissen: – When we discussed our conversations on Ila, percentage returns and returns numbers, now you come with a new staging of numbers. If you are three, 90 percent and if you are two or is it 60 or 30 percent chance. Where are you taking the numbers from? How do you feel about that? How can you reach it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – You mean that is the foundation of the assumption, or you wonder why I tend to use numbers?

Law Psychiatrist Terje Tørrissen: – Yes, I wonder first of all, but we can take it with the numbers first.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I feel that if you want to explain something others IKK have so much knowledge. Then it is good to explain it in a way people understand. Using figures, it is a form of communication that makes you need to use fewer words to describe the same. It is a simplification of the presentation and it becomes more efficient. I see it as an effective method of communication. I tend to use numbers to explain things. That’s because there are very special subject we are talking about. In everyday language I use is not so much numbers.

Law Psychiatrist Terje Tørrissen: – The second question: You say that you have read a lot and you have gone through the internet and found a lot, but there are some things with the composition … so are you coming with a claim that hangs like it together. There are several of us who do not recognize us in the historical data. What evidence do you have? I see that the newspapers take apart allegation by allegation. How do you feel when you get to a point of resistance. Experts say that these are not cohesive.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, that is, I do mistakes like everyone else. I saw that I had used the word reform, and it is wrong use of words, I’d spent the Enlightenment. I make mistakes like everyone else. But when it came to selecting topics for the compendium, so I had already chosen it. It has never been the intention that the compendium would be objectively presented.

Law Psychiatrist Terje Tørrissen: – A small question is how you take into you the other agencies to you. How do you take it inside you? We are talking about empathy, how to take it to you.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Psychiatrist Terje Tørrissen wonder why Breivik spend so much per cent returns and calculate their way to the calculations, as well as what he thinks when he gets resistance. Breivik When asked if he should answer to both questions, please Tørrissen answer the first first. The terrorist believes figures indications is effective communication. At the end ask Breivik Tørrissen specify their questions and provide an example. Tørrissen is calm and explains patiently.

Law Psychiatrist Terje Tørrissen: – There is little on how to understand other people. When it comes to empathy and knowledge. How can you make it sound different. You apparently think (…)

Behring Anders Breivik: – Do you have an example? [Tørrissen: Yes, that reflect the brain and the amygdala. Purely professional, it is perhaps not quite what we'd talked about it.] – Firstly, I have no particular expertise in that. I described to the police in the beginning that I ended up in shock, a kind of shock you end up in where you are unable to think clearly, that was how I described it in the beginning. So I’ve been reading more afterwards. – But I have read so much that … It is not a state of shock. It is more correct to describe it the way I refer to.

Law Psychiatrist Terje Tørrissen: – You will say it, but the rest of us might say that there is a more nuanced [Breivik interrupts and says: Maybe you disagree with that I have referred that theory right] No, I do not think I disagree but [Breivik interrupts again]

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, but it is very difficult to explain. If you get into a mode that me and they end up in Utøya it is difficult to put into words. The fact that Eskil Pedersen would explain why he fled the island alone, and then there was another psychiatrist who helped a little, he explained that it is a state of shock when you feel threatened.

Law Psychiatrist Terje Tørrissen: – It’s okay, I do not think I have more questions. [Judge: - Sørheim?]

Law Psychiatrist Synne Sørheim: – I want a little bit back to what you told me about meditation. You said that you used it in 2006 and it worked.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not know if I started with it then. I would not say it worked. I have referred to it as selvradikalisering. [Sørheim cancel Breivik]

Law Psychiatrist Synne Sørheim: – You brought it up in connection with this with empathy and you believed it had helped you to switch off? [Breivik protesting the choice of words] What properties changed with you using this meditation?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The purpose was to try to hammer away her fears through the use of meditation and that is done through a so-called self-realization meditation, and I think I succeeded. I mean to say that I have managed to hammer away my fear that way. But as a side effect, it has also changed all my emotions. Not only fear, but all other emotions too. – As long as I oprettholder the meditation feel me avemosjalisisert. [Sørheim: Are there any other feelings that are gone?]

Law Psychiatrist Synne Sørheim: – Can you name some?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There is everything from the joy, sorrow, fortvilethet, hopelessness, anxiety and fear. All feelings you have. Right Psychiatrist Synne Sørheim: Just so I understand you correctly, you feel feelings anymore or is it less of them? – Some of them. [Sørheim: - When did you noticed it?] – I is trying to use some songs, such as trance songs. [Sørheim: - When did you notice that it worked?] Maybe .. I had not done very much in the first year because I spent so much time on it the first year. Then I noticed that it worked. – From the first few times I meditated yes. [Sørheim: And you noticed less of the feelings after a while?] Yes

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – [Breivik confirmed. Holden wants to speak, but the referee stops him.] I know you want the word, but we can not open for another round of questions. Can you save your question until Monday?

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Lay judge Diana Patricia Fynbos (38) asks Breivik talk about when he started his technical language. Mass murderer claims he had a more technical language when he began with the compendium and especially after his arrest on Utøya. He believes it is a defense strategy. The last eighteen months has worked at the Fynbos Loren primary school, where she is a tutor for one of 2 classes. Previously, she worked at the Grorud school. She is also chairman of Norskcolombianos Association – a nationwide association for adopted Colombians. Fynbos is even adopted from Colombia.

VG: – [It is debatable whether the questions will be taken up again]

Lay judge: – You said earlier that the ability to carry out the actions to be here and you began to use a technical language. When did you mean? [Breivik think really long on this question]

Behring Anders Breivik: – Perhaps from 2007, since I started writing the compendium. So I used it after his arrest, as a defensive strategy.

Lay judge: – Tested it out in some way along, and when and how? That it worked then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is not possible to test it out, for it is not possible to predict the effect the project will end up in.

Judge Arne Lyng: – You have been told about your assumptions about arming both in relation to shifts in the government building and guards at Utøya. What do you base your assumptions about the arming of?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It can be anything from observations through popular culture that shows, movies and lowered for Norwegian conditions. United States is far more paranoid than Norway. It is perhaps the main basis for the assumptions.

Judge Arne Lyng: – So have I seen you there, if the building had collapsed as the explosion had not completed action on Utøya. Was this something you had thought through in advance, or was it something you thought when you were sitting in the car and listened to the radio?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was something I had thought through in advance [Judge Arne Lyng: - Had you planned what you would if you did not need to travel to Utøya?] – The alternative was to go to Greenland and let me apprehend.

Judge Arne Lyng: – Had you thought any more detail about that?

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Lay judge Diana Patricia Fynbos (38) asks Breivik tell about when he started to use a technical language. Breivik explains that it was in connection with the compendium and especially after his arrest. He believes it is an important forsvarsttegi for him. The last eighteen months has worked at the Fynbos Loren primary school, where she is a tutor for one of 2 classes. Previously, she worked at the Grorud school. She is also chairman of Norskcolombianos Association – a nationwide association for adopted Colombians. Fynbos is even adopted from Colombia.

Anders Breivik Behring – I had not really planned much in detail because I expected to die before the government building. So I had … There was much I could have done the preparatory actions afterwards, but I did not expect to survive the government quarter.

Judge Arne Lyng: – You testified earlier today that if the media had given the Progress Party a chance in the election of 2009, there had been no response. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is one of the main causes. [Judge Heather: How would this attitude from the media, that they should give sjansern FRP rescue the European indigenous population? - It's a good question. But I had probably not then lost hope in democracy and I would have fought long with democratic means. There and then I thought that it may be that I have been wrong, that democracy is not so dysfunctional after all, but then happened what happened and when I got the final confirmation.

Judge Arne Lyng: - Thank you.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: - I have some questions about the connection between Knighs Templar and the game World of Warcraft (WoW). Is it a coincidence that you chose this particular game?

Behring Anders Breivik: - Yes it was a coincidence. [Judge Arntzen: Is it the nursing terminology that you already had the Knights Templar] – In WoW, there are hundreds of titles, so if I had chosen commando or 20 other titles. [Judge Artnzen: Which titles did you?]

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Judge Arntzen see Breivik and ask him why he took the nicknames he did when he played WoW for a year and it has a relationship with Knights Templar. Breivik see her in the eye and claiming he has obtained the names from the Norwegian legal system. The judge is also interested in how Breivik has socialized in recent years. She is clear in his question formulations. The mass murderer is sitting quietly in his chair and explained with a clear voice.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, that is, like a militant nationalist in principle, it is the principles that represent the Latin meaning of the Chief Justice, who is a man of the law. So it has nothing to do with the game. – It has nothing to do with the game. It has something with legal system to do and it is from the Norwegian and British legal system.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – When it comes to what you have talked about the isolation. You have explained a bit contradictory on the insulation. Are you aware that you have given divergent explanations of the point?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Can you specify what you are referring to? [JUDGE: Yesterday you said that you could not have friends who stood up too close, in the period from 2006. And in that time you had indulgent this year of gameplay, and enough natuyrlig isolated yourself in the peripoden. But in the post, how isolated you feel then?] – I had contact with … When I took up the contact again.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Did you take the time once a month so that you described?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There was limited from 2007 until 2011 [Judge Arntzen: How limited then?]

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Breivik says that he goes around in circles in the yard at Ila. He does not have music in their ears as before terroangrepene as he meditated, but he believes he remembers the music in the head.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I am limited to the summer of 2010, so it was more contact from summer 2010 to summer 2011. [Judge Arntzen: And when you say you had to limit contact with close friends, what was the cause of it?] – The reason was that I wanted them to find out what I was doing. Also, I wanted also to protect everyone I knew, I did not want to involve them.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Then there was this with your meditation. I understand that this is something you are still doing now to conduct this trial. How much time do you spend on this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Since poågripelsen it has been every other day. [The judge will follow up question] – The last month has been very bits and pieces. [Artntzen Judge: And how do you feel when you meditate?] – For example, at Ila …. they tend to be in the prison yard. When I go only to ring in the yard while I meditate. – I do not have access to music, no equipment. I only remember the songs.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – You changed medication at some point. Was it a drug with the same strength and same dosage?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Vinstrol makes you retain muscle mass. [Arntzen Judge: But you had the same dosage?] – I had X mg extra of it. 10 to 20 milligrams more.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – And the ECA stack that you talked about, you were not sure if you had taken it. Are you more confident when you could have taken it? – [Breivik: No, it's not there] But if you had taken a number of e-Stac that day? – How strong is such a pill? [Breivik: Those who were sold commercially in the past, I made myself, equivalent to one and a half like that. It is a common tablet size, the one I had was maybe one and a half size. It was more powerful than a normal dose] – The [drug], it is something you used over time? Daily?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I used it about two or three times a few weeks before to habituate the body to the drugs.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Then at a quarter of two and we are on overtime prosecutor. Are you sitting inside with an urgent question? [The prosecutor says it can wait] [The judge gives the word of the prosecutor Engh]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – I want you to try to put you back to 22 July. About now you can explain in your own words what happened on that day Utøya?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, I would almost recommend anyone who does not need to hear to listen. It will be very gruesome depictions. – You want to hear everything? [Bejer Engh says she wants to hear everything]

Behring Anders Breivik: – We were on the property and I should wait for five of five, because I figured that the timetable agreed with the boat that I had read on the homepage of AUF. I saw lots of emergency vehicles to pass and parked so that no one had access to me from the road.

Behring Anders Breivik: – And then I changed and prepared equipment up there, took off my armor, put on my combat vest with a lot of magazines. So I connected the blue light. I considered whether I should put the PST logo, but I chose not to do it. – So I drove down five of five. And … I came into the building area. I’m not quite sure hundred percent that I had managed to activate the blue light properly. I made a gesture to activate it.

Behring Anders Breivik: – As I drove across. I saw it was an AUF stand there with four people. When I came down on the quayside I parked a little past the ferry landing. Then I saw in the window that there was a AUF’er towards the car. I had some equipment there that I did not want them to see. When I went out of the car to ward off that they saw in the car behind. Some cases where the suspect could see out. I met him halfway. – It was a guard responsible, for he had a communication device on it, and when I went out I had the gun in the holster and police ID around his neck. I was very worried that he would do an evaluation if they looked real enough, and so I was very unsure about it. I had to mentally prepare myself for what he would do if it is not so authentic. – So when I went up to him and said that there has been a terrorist attack in Oslo, and “I am placed here routinely, there are 40 other police officers who are placed in 40 other locations. For we have not arrested anyone. “

Behring Anders Breivik: – So what I need … no …. I asked him first if the boat is coming soon. He said the boat was set because of the attack. I told him I wanted him summoned the boat from the other side, because I had to tell about what had happened. – So he called up the skipper of the boat. He said that it comes in ten minutes maybe. And then it was he and another, there were two other AUF’ere who stood in the background. So I went over to the car. I saw he was moving towards the car. Then I said: Keep your distance. Then he went back again and took the hint. I did not want anyone to see the emblems and devices in the car.

Behring Anders Breivik: – So I went into the car and sat there and watched the rear-view mirror, so I looked for 5-10 minutes that the ferry was called “Thorbjorn.” It was a woman who was there, it was she who had restored the responsibility for Utøya, Monica Bosei, so I told the same to her. Also, she began to ask: why have not we been informed of this? No, there is chaos in Oslo now, so it has not been possible, I replied. – So there has not been possible. Also she said okay, she bought it. So I said “now I’ll … Now there are two pieces that are on the way, but what I wish is that I will be transported on the other side, so you call up all the guards that are there, and I will inform them of what has happened. ” – Then she said it was okay. So I said that I would carry a box of equipment to the island. She went to the boat and I went to the car. I took the rifle and a pretty heavy Kase as I pulled over to the boat. Then she came over to me. I had the rifle completely uncovered and she came and was completely open. – Then she said you can not come with the rifle on the island. You’ll scare all AUF’erne, you must at least hide it, she said. So I said okay. I’ll find something to hide it. When I went to the car and let the case stand in the boat. I took the black plastic bag that concealed the shotgun. I thought to take it but had to leave it behind. I had it because I expected to meet fierce resistance on the pier.

VG: – We warn against strong portrayals in this part of Breivik’s explanation.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Although Breivik seems confident when he talks about his movements on the way to and on Utøya. Yet he stops occasionally to think and swallow.

Behring Anders Breivik: – … who guarded the goal Utøya was because it was the biggest political event the whole summer, so I was almost 100% sure that I would meet resistance there that I met through my fight. Lot shotgun stand again (…) if I met resistance on the pier. So I packed the rifle in a black plastic bag so I went over to the boat captain, he also came with another plastic bag that he placed too high, then started crossing. – So began the journey from the pier to Utøya. At the crossing as I remember it was the captain and another person who was in the wheelhouse, I think, I think the captain came down and said hello. I can not remember what we talked about. There I spoke with Monica Bosei about, it was, she said it is a policeman on the island. And then I thought “ok, now it’s going to happen soon.”

Behring Anders Breivik: – I began to examine her and ask if he had police powers or whether he was armed. This she said that he was not and that he was there in the civilian. I told her that I suggested that she summoned the guard, and (…) I thought it would be important to collect the guard because of threats they made.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I thought that maybe they could have a shotgun or rifle lying in a house. It would be a big threat. So she did. I was prepared to meet them. When we got to the other side were three or four people to me. Then I saw very clearly the duty managers, that man.

Behring Anders Breivik: – And he looked like a professional, what to say, the abuser, in the sense that the police and the military appears to perpetrators of violence. This is the biggest threat on the island, I thought. I went over to him and introduced me, and he considered politiemblemene mine and did not react to it. I asked the captain if he could carry into the box and run it into the back of the house, so there will be snipers on the other side, so I need to establish a forward base here. – It can not be down at the beach, then it will be open for snipers on the other side. So I asked someone else to run the Treasury. And he did. As I talked with Monica and he, I do not remember what his name is … [Engh: - Berntsen, is his name] Berntsen, yes, okay. – Then he starts asking me about where I sit, in which police I come from. I think I introduce myself as the Oslo police, that I came from Greenland, or PST. I can not remember. After I had talked with him for five minutes, I noticed that he was getting a little suspicious. He started asking security questions, if I knew it and the person in the PST. – I was almost paralyzed. I was not happy. I thought that I have so little desire to do this here. I answered to the best of my ability. So he made a follow-up questions and then I interrupted him and said that I propose is that we go up to the main house, so “briefer” I tell you about what has happened in Oslo.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: From box indictment says Breivik not just about what he saw and what he’s talking to people about, he also talks about what he thought. According to him, he shuddered, and thought that it was now or never. There are no visible emotion to track the terrorist’s face or body language. He said that it was “one hundred voices” in his head that said he would not do it, and that body fought against. Sometimes drinking Breivik water glass he had in front.

Behring Anders Breivik: – So then he nodded approvingly to it. So indicated that I would go up, so I went and Monica Berntsen up in front of me and then I thought: It’s now or never. And I had a 17 shot magazine, I had no helmet, but a secondary weapon in the holster and I went with the rifle in his hand in a bag. And then I thought: It’s now or never. Either I must I let myself be arrested now or we will implement what I have planned. – And the minute as it lasted, it seemed like it lasted a year. I thought so … So, really, my entire body tried to fight back when I took the gun in his hand. It was kind of one hundred voices in my head that said “do not do it.” And then …

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: With a calm and controlled voice Breivik explains how he perceived the guard and the policeman Trond Berntsen when the two met at the pier at Utøya. Breivik repeat his statement to the police and expresses the same concern that Berntsen would expose him. Polit man was not armed. Breivik explained in court that he was asked a series of critical questions from Berntsen, among other things, about whom he knew in the PST. Mass murderer says that he canceled the series questions and proposed to go up to the main house. According to Breivik, it was at this time five people who stood around him in the immediate vicinity. While the case of equipment was run up the gravel road to the white main house, followed the mass murderer Berntsen, a guard and Bosei up. – It’s now or never, says Breivik while looking at the prosecutor. – The body fought against when I took the gun in his hand. A hundred voices in my head told me not to do it, do not. Trond Berntsen was the first victim of Breivik Utøya. The officer was employed by the Police Immigration Unit (PU), but he was on sick leave when he worked as a civilian guard at aufs fun. Father of two had been there for several years and he was also the last year hired the so-called “private paid overtime.”

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Excuse administrator, we are told that Breivik’s voice sounds bad. [Breivik told to sit closer to the microphone]

Behring Anders Breivik: – When I held a gun and therefore it was a bullet in the chamber on it. Everything was ready. And at that point I knew that there were three people behind me. I was surrounded by five people. I knew that if they are suspicious, they would overpower me. – But when we started going up, I took out the gun I thought it’s now or never. It seemed like that moment took a year. I remember when I picked up the gun, I must have spent a long time, Monica said: Do not point it at him. It was his head turned towards the house. This was a professional person who easily could have brought me. – And then … Just after she said it … So I pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger once, and shot him in the head. – Then turned to Monica Bosei and ran in another direction. So I shot at her head.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: In microphone Breivik speak into it sounds good that he breathes heavily. He seems more uncertain now, but explains the total freezing of the first murder. He speaks now with a lower pitch than before, he speaks more slowly than we have heard him earlier today. Breivik make arm movements when describing how he carries with him his rifle. Many of those affected are now looking straight ahead, staring out in front in the air while listening. They do not Breivik or on screens.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was not that far apart. So I shot him twice in the head, so I went over to her, so I shot her twice in the head. – When it began to be screaming. There were some people at the house, and there was a guard who was not very far from me. Maybe 5 to 10 meters, he ran from me and I raised the gun toward him. He was too far away for me to shoot him in the head. So I shot a stop shot, also I shot him (…).

Behring Anders Breivik: – And then I ended up in this state of shock again, I do not remember very much from Utøya, I remember a total of ten minutes … So I really do not know if I fired at the house or if I just went to the house and started walking towards the cafeteria building. I think people ran in all directions, and I followed only the main stream. And it was up to the café building.

Behring Anders Breivik: – And I did not run, I did not go quickly but calmly. I had a lot of equipment on me, so I was not really able to run. At this point, the box located behind the house. The plan was to ensure that those who ran the “MS Thorbjorn” and execute them. For I knew that this boat would be used by Delta forces to get to the island. – So I thought that now I have thirty minutes to me, because I’m going to die and be shot by Delta. I had to spend the time thoroughly to achieve the goal.

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Three arrestforvarne enters the room 250 and replace with three other colleagues. Thurs arrestforvarere sits adjacent Breivik.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Mass murderer stops much up, drinking and watching thinking out now. Saying that there are over a half years since he testified about the police and that he has not thought about it much afterwards. Says he will do his best to remember. Despite this, he continues to explain very detailed about the incident.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have to almost go back where I was, I had actually decided to neutralize the boat crew, but then I thought it is not certain they are connected to the AP, perhaps those are civilians, so why did I an assessment that was not specifically military tactical, but that was mostly based on my conscience. I could not bring myself to attack those who steered the boat because I had no indication that they belonged to the Labour Party, so I looked at them as collateral. – So … When I was down there at the pier and the first shot was then I heard he båtkapteinen say something like “see hell and drive away from here” or something like that. I can not remember what it was. But they were very frightened and ran away from there. Then I thought that “it was really a big mistake to let the boat run away, but that is just.”

Behring Anders Breivik: – And when I then go to the cafeteria building, so I do not remember much until I arrived. I remember exactly nothing. I think that when I was in front of the main building, I took the rifle out of the plastic bag, and changed the new magazine in the Glock on the way up to the café building. It was half empty at this time. The next thing I remember is that I come up the side of the café building. Then there are many people who have heard the shots, but they do not quite understand where it comes from.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Then I calmly accept them. And people look quite frightened they do not know what’s going on. It’s a half years since I’ve explained this to the police. But I’ll try to remember what I can remember. [Breivik drinking water] So I think I ask a question in order not to confuse them. – I think I ask a question: what is going on here, what has happened. Some said: You shot him, you shot him. When I stood in front of the cafe building and there were many at the entrance to a cafe built. And then I think that the gun was in the holster. I think I raised the rifle to the cafeteria building, it is possible I shot someone nearby, so I fired a few shots at one of the windows where they were a few people. – And it was total chaos, people running in all directions, and I thought that “where I should go now, I’ll go into that building and executing as many as possible in there.” And because I come into the building, so I change from rifle to the Glock. – I do not remember if I used the magazine. I do not think so. So I’m going into the first time that the first room. When I told the police that I do not remember anything from this very room, but there was much blood on the walls when I was there afterwards. – So they would not confirm it. I learned afterwards that I have killed six to seven people in the room with the Glock, but I have no memories of it. When I get into the big room so I have quite a few memories. And when I get in there, there were maybe fifteen people in that room. And I remember a piano that was on the right side.

Behring Anders Breivik: – And when I turn to the right and [now describes his method on killing more young people in the café building]. [Breivik describes the reactions of people in the room. He seems even to be completely untouched. Does he run out of ammunition.] [He says that he changes magazine in the gun and continued firing.]

Comment from Eva VG-Therese Grøttum: Breivik is now underway to explain the killing of Utøya. He has warned about the gruesome details. We will not pass on everything he says, but we would warn our readers that this is a strong reading.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: In a low tone of voice says Breivik completely calm about the scenes that took place in the cafe building on Friday afternoon 22 July. It seems that the terrorist concentrates to remember. He describes what he saw, describing the people he sees and tells in detail how he shoots the young people. Still not feeling to catch a glimpse of the terrorist, but his heavy breathing and swallowing part. Sometimes he will stop slightly.

Behring Anders Breivik: – [He describes the details he remembers from the room. He tells of many where he shoots. More victims are trying in vain to resist. He describes how it will be quiet in the room]

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Several relatives and survivors in the audience breathes heavily when mass murderer describing gruesome details. Many are still with eyes closed.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I remember coming out of tent space. [Indicates that there were many AUFere standing on the tent site, on the other side. Tells about a specific murder and describes the reactions of those on the other side and the terrified looks on. He also grotesque detail.]

VG: – Breivik says switching from Glock to the rifle and preparing to shoot at the other group at the grove. He says he fires away at the group. Breivik said they were fifty yards away. He says that he shoots from the hip in that direction.

Behring Anders Breivik: – [Breivik explains about several murders. He explains very detailed about some murder he remembers.] [He seems himself unmoved] [He is now back and explains more about the tent site, and in which direction the youth fled.] – So I go … I think that’s when I go for the group that goes against Love trail and I notice that there is a group of ten pieces or something like that. [Narrator detail about what the victims did and how he killed them.] At this point I have lost complete control of how many I shoot.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Breivik said the reason he did not remember so much was because he had what he calls “overview sight” – that he held a view to anticipate potential hazards. He feared that people would attack him with sticks or stones. Although he says he does not remember so much, he gives detailed descriptions. Breivik scratching and sometimes in the face while talking.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is as far as I can work. I think that I go south along the western part of the island. I do not remember that I meet someone when I go south, so I thought this was absolutely the wrong way. I checked, when I come to the classroom. [Here he describes that he meets a person and how he sees another person, and how they behaved.] The reason I do not remember so many details that I have so overblikksyn. – I am aware that people can hide behind trees and everywhere. I really focus on the overview and detail. So I remember a few people from Utøya. To get back to one thing: What I had planned before I came to Utøya was to shoot as few people as possible, I told myself. The shooting would be the detonator and the aim was to scare AUF’erne on the water so they drown.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Breivik notes several times while talking. It looks as if he quoted words on the sheet in front of him, as he strokes after a while. This is probably the topics he plans to go through, which he strokes as he has said so. He said that on two occasions, he cried out, “You shall die, Marxists” on his mission of killing Utøya.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was the plan. For that I would be able to have a good chance to do this, I considered two things. I considered using psychological weapons in the attack. One psychological weapon I reviewed was a huge swastika on his chest. [Judge: What is it?] It is the symbol of national socialists. It is a very potent symbol. It is a basic fear of the symbol in Norway, and I figured that if they told each other about it, it would scare many on the water. But then I thought that if I died out there, people would have thought that I was a National Socialist himself, so I decided not to use it. – So I decided not to use it. But another strategy that I had decided in advance, was to use psychological cry that was to create fear. I have read some interviews with AUF-ers who claim that I have said different things, but it’s wrong. What I was called out on two occasions: “You will die today, Marxists.” – There I called on two occasions in the tent. People were very panicky. But, back to where I left off earlier [describes meeting with a man and a woman as he spoke before the derailment] He called her “race.” [Describes the first murder of the man and the subsequent murder of the woman in detail]. – So I went to the school building and I thought that there are many people inside the building, so I should really shoot up the door and go in and shoot everyone. Then I think I will take one or two shots in the building. If I go in there I think I get knocked down with a blunt object. – I can not cover all the angles when I walk into a building, so I decide not to go in and I go on.

Comments from VG Marianne bay: Judge Arntzen has requested a break until 14.45. Thus, Breivik spoke constantly about his journey across the Utøya and the beginning of his murder about which in 40 minutes. He seems very cold and emotionless when he talks about this.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – I believe we are taking a break for each of three.

VG: – Breivik moved out of the room. The court pauses until 14:45.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: In an otherwise busy and loud pressesal during breaks, it is now almost completely silent. The only thing I can hear some people talk quietly with each other and the sound of the many keyboards. On the way he had a brief conversation with Lippestad. Before the break explained Breivik incessantly and insensible on Utøya in 40 minutes. He described how he killed what he thought, what he cried out and have him looking around. Now he will continue….

Original article: Dag 5, ord for ord: Breivik beskriver drapstoktet i detalj

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Google translation [edited for clarity]:

Day 5, word for word: – I shot at everyone
4/20/2012

Read Friday’s fourth part of prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden questioning by Anders Breivik Behring below:

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – As we continue negotiations.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – It is presented a map. For the information of the judge: This is a map piece that was missing in the introductory lecture.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Engh, we aim to finish about four o’clock.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – When can it be we are not quite finished with Utøya today, but we will continue on Monday. Then you just continue where you left off, Breivik.

Behring Anders Breivik: – [Breivik receive a map of the District Attorney Holden of Utøya] What I have mentioned earlier is that when using the ECA, the chemicals, it is one of the side effects urination. You get dehydrated and you need to drink lots of water. – I had a camel back with a liter of water, and an extra camel back in the box behind the house. There I had extra ammunition, four extra magazines and a few other things. What I also forgot to mention the place was that when I got out there, I thought that it is unlikely to encounter Gro Harlem Brundtland. I was especially careful to look for Eskil Pedersen and Gro Harlem Brundtland. – But I knew that the chances that I would encounter Gro Harlem Brundtland was less … And when I come down in the school room. – There is a kind of road. When I go to the car in which this case has been placed. I noticed that in the beginning was very heavy going because I had so much equipment. But it gets easier. Since I spent ammunition. I had also taken two cans of diesel. – And the plan was to force those who were inside the houses to come out so I could shoot them. So I had a lighter that I was looking for at the time and it did not. It was misplaced somewhere. So I had no opportunity to use the fuel that I had brought. The idea was to pour it around the buildings and set fire to. – Those who came out who was there, would then burned alive. But as I learned afterwards that diesel is not flammable, so it was a mistake as I did. Anyway, I had misplaced the lighter that I could not find.

Behring Anders Breivik: – And then I think that if I can not burn them out so I’ll try to smoke them out those who were in the house, I considered going into the house as an unacceptable risk. But I had smoke grenades. – So I took out one and threw it with full force against a window, so it should hit the main house. I hit exactly where I wanted it to hit, but it was not heavy enough to go through the route, and it rolled down to the pier. – It was not appropriate, but it took so long that I thought Delta was going. I thought they were close. At the angle that would prevent Delta sniper’s shooting me. – So I kept me on the side of the smoke to avoid being hit by a sniper. So I take a new grenade and throw it against the building which is opposite the main house.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It takes effect in the house. But there is no coming out. Then I hear something from the dock area, so I go down to the wharf area, and then I see that there is some boat traffic there, there are two-three boats, and when I see that there are some AUF-ers to the left of me. I believe that I shoot to the left, ie north. And I think I hit two of them. – And at that point I think I see Reiulf who are on their way from Utøya to the other side. And when I fired at least ten shots against “Reiulf” The purpose is to kill those who are into. [Describes how he went forward to try to kill those inside the boat]

Behring Anders Breivik: – So I see another boat, a big white boat that is between Utøya and pier on the other side. Then I fired several shots at it too. Where is the one that saves up AUFere swimming.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: A left lifted his glasses and wipes a tear, before she puts the glasses back on and turn our attention to Breivik, which she has views right on.

Behring Anders Breivik: – And it’s really to scare away the boat, and I see that I only hit the hull, so I change the angle and trying to pet by two shots at a shadow that is on the boat. At that point I thought maybe it could be “Thorbjorn” that I shot at, but when I explain myself to the police I’m a bit unsure. – So is it possible that I shoot with another boat in addition that also picks up the AUF-ers. This is certainly what I remembered, but according to what possibly happened, then I may as up and took another smoke grenade and new ammunition. – It is possible that I have been wrong of it. So I go to the café building again. I see none. I’m going to a different angle on the café building. I see the kiosk is there. The first thing I think is that I should go in there and find a lighter that I can use later. I go then into the building and see that it is a mobile on the floor. I think I probably have completed my mission. I have hundreds of frightened people on the water, so I think my mission is complete. – So there is no point in me continuing. The plan was to complete the mission. If I survived, it was acceptable to surrender. If you were stopped before I had completed the mission I would fight to the death.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: While he is talking complete, flip Breivik with the pen he had in his right hand. He seems to be sweating in the forehead.

Behring Anders Breivik: – That’s what I had decided in advance. But at that point I thought that the action is completed, so there is no point to continue. I tried to find my own mobile first, but I thought I had forgotten it in the car at the government building, so I pick up the one on the floor and rings and say that I am willing to surrender. (Breivik now speak slowly and very concentrated.) – So when I call it also is concerned I try to call a couple of times, does not come through at the 112 or 113 Also I’m finally through, and this is the conversation that we’ve heard been played. I seem to remember that in both calls asking to be transferred to the Delta, but … – But … I seem to remember that through both calls specifically requested that he would call me up when she had found the right person … and yes …. that’s what I remember. So I am very sure, I think, “what should I do now?” I can not reach the right person.

Behring Anders Breivik: – What should I do now I thought. Is this a successful mission or not. So I thought no because they do not call me up again, they are not going to let me capitulate so I can continue until I am killed.

Behring Anders Breivik: – And I can let fate decide, so I can continue until they call me up again. I think it was when I called. And then I go from the cafe built sloping northwards against the Bolsheviks and Stolt Mountain, as I go along the inclined not far north, so I’m going Bolshevik. Where I see [a group of people] from a distance. [Explains that he shoots at them.] – As I continue all the way to the northern tip, Bolsheviks, and where I think I see a group standing there. And when I go to these people, and when I think I shoot .. I do not remember, but police have said that I shot somebody. But I have really no memories from the Bolsheviks.

VG: – We warn against strong portrayals in this part of Breivik’s explanation.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I can only remember that I was there. I seem to remember that it was [describe a small group of people he killed there]. I thought I would never follow the eastern route because it is within the Delta forces’ reach. I thought that I had to go on the eastern side, because then I would be shot in the head by a sniper. – So I have to go anywhere else than on the east side. So I go back again, when I follow the upper slope of the island. At the pump house and I can not remember anything until I get to the pump house. I walked past something I thought was an outhouse. So I see some people who are there.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Just calmly explain Breivik that he was referring to the head of youngsters. He says that one of them asked him not to shoot.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Have you seen him, I said, to confuse them so they do not run. [Breivik describe their reactions. He changes his mind, he thinks now that he mixes two situations]. I think I said: Have you seen the terrorist? to them. [Describes a dialogue with young people] You gotta get here, there is a boat to evacuate you, I said.

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: During the murder cruise Breivik shot several shots at each victim. He wanted to be sure they were killed. His voice is calm and clear. He sits back in his chair and plays with the pen in my right hand when he says that he fired several shots at people he believed played dead.

Behring Anders Breivik: – And there were others who moved towards me. [Describes how he shot people at the Pump House.] I shot at all. [Breivik now speak very slowly and hesitantly.] I shot everyone who was there. [Narrator detail about it.] – When I went to the edge and checked all directions. [Tells how he fired at a group of people and telling detail about how he systematically kills].

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: After he had shot the young people who hid at the pump house, rang the police Breivik again. Says he asked to be transferred to Delta, and asked them to call back when it was done. Then he went on.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Back to the pump house, it was crowded to get past the shed, so I had to go in between and I saw exactly what I had done, and the effect of what I had done, and I think it was cruel . I walked up the path again and then I thought, well no one has called me so I’ll try to call the police again. – So I try to call several times. It was busy. So I finally got through again, and when it is the second call that has been played. Again I asked: Can you put me to the operations manager for Delta because I want to surrender. There was much back and forth. So I said: Look, just get the right person, then call me back when you have it. – So I went to the western tip, and it was a cliff-like … It was a cliff there. I saw that it was a very natural haven. I thought all the time when I went around that I would go places where I would hide me, because … And I thought when I came to the Western tip. – But when I looked over the cliff where I saw some people who tried to hide out until the rock wall. There was a fence there and it was very steep down. I had some equipment for me and would not be able to climb down, I would fall. So I took out his rifle and started shooting.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I think I shot [a group of people] There was a large group began to swim towards the south-west tip of the West. [Breivik describes one additional murder]. At the time I saw a yellow boat, it looked like a speedboat that ran from the southern to the group of people who were swimming.

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: As Breivik came to the southern tip of the island, a helicopter flew over his head. Mass murderer thought that it was the police who had placed a sniper in the helicopter and tried to stay in the forest. In retrospect, it appears that there was a Norwegian who was in the helicopter. When Breivik was on the southern tip, he looked at the gun and considered whether he should shoot himself.

Comments from VG Marianne bay: The first two experts are leaning far back in chairs, while the last two are appointed by leaning forward supporting his head in his hands. All four studies Breivik carefully.

Behring Anders Breivik: – and I thought this is a utrykningsbåt, a hjelpebåt, so I fired two shots toward the boat, which took a u-turn and drove back again. When I went from the western tip and down and when I came to love trail and saw all the friends I had shot earlier. Just after Kjærlighetsstien I hear a helicopter coming rushing over the treetops. Then I thought: Okay, this is the police and they have a sniper in the helicopter. [Breivik points on a map in front of him with pen in hand while he talks.] – By going to kill me every moment. So I thought “okay, now I am hundred percent sure that the police must be on the island, and now it just before I get killed by shots from any angle.” And I was south of Love trail, and then I thought, “I really want to survive this? I’m going to be the most hated person in Norway, and every day for the rest of your life is going to be a nightmare. ” – So I looked down at my Glock that I kept wondering, “Should I shoot myself in the head right now.” I had the opportunity. If I were to do it, I had to do it now. So I thought it was written in the compendium, that one must fight through a legal process or in prison – I thought that when I do survive this and be responsible for this action and then I saw the helicopter, and this time it came pretty close, maybe 100 meters. Why on earth are you so close I thought. The police helicopter has the thermographic camera.

Behring Anders Breivik: – that it was possible to see see through the trees from one kilometer distance. I thought there was something wrong with the thermo-graphic camera theirs. I thought that I can shoot at least ten rounds if I want to the helicopter. I thought: Now the mission is over, but will not shoot at police officers, for it is not they who are the enemy. – So then I tried to go under the tree tops, and when I went down to the south of the Love Trail. I saw none, and when I approached Sydspissen. And then I saw that it was very much activity as the sea, I saw perhaps some people who were swimming. Also I came to Sydspissen, and when I see that it is … Yes, before I got there, I take two things that I have forgotten.

Behring Anders Breivik: – [Talking about something he remembers from the cafe building, jump then back to Sydspissen. He sees a group of people, tells how he shot these people. Telling a child he remembers that he chooses not to shoot. He says that as he remembers a group of people he might loose shots at swimming towards the shore without being sure it is.] – It is possible I shoot on a boat but I have no memories of this from Sydpissen. I think now I’ll try to go to my base of operations the cut and put on my armor or bulletproof vest. Then I try, it will increase my chances for me to capitulate to the Delta. I thought that it’s been so long so my instinct told me that they were nearby.

Behring Anders Breivik: – As I approach just southeast of Skolestua I look at the forest edge that there is a group of six and I understand that the Delta. I think: Okay, when I throw from my rifle. And only then I consider to attack or not, but decide not because it is not those lens. I throw from my rifle and go ten meters. So I hear that they call something.

Behring Anders Breivik: – [Talking now very calm and concentrated. He drains the pen on the table] In retrospect, I have heard that there were armed police, and when I thought that now … I do not think I thought as much when I was there.

Behring Anders Breivik: – “Lie down on the ground,” some shouted “Lie down on your knees.” So I thought, “Okay.” I was not scared at all but thought, “What shall I do?” I replied, a little arrogant towards them, “Shall I lie down on your knees or I will lay me down on the ground?” So I thought, “I Kverulerer more now I get a shot in the head. ” – So I went down on her knees and down on the ground. Before I lay down, they asked if I had explosives on me. I said no I have only ammunition. So I was assured by them. They assumed, and I saw it on them, that they knew there were several on the island. They did not think it was just me. Immediately after I had been secured as they looked for others.

Behring Anders Breivik: – … and they asked: How many are you, how many are you? I said I’m the only one on the island, and they did not believe me. So they immediately began to look for other accomplices, while I was assured by one person. And that place was secured, I remember I was only five or ten feet from where I had killed someone and I lay there for maybe 30-40 minutes. And … So I was led into the main house … For three of the Delta operators. And .. When we get into the main house, so I think so … “Ok, ok, this is going to be like the series” The Shield “, which you can not imagine. They’ll do anything to get information from me. ” So when I told them “if you are going to execute me, you might as well do it in 1 floor. “

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Breivik looks down at the table when he is finished. Keep your eyes there for 10-15 seconds while he is quiet. Then he raises his head and asks if Bejer Engh wonder more.

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Prosecutors Engh cough and ask Breivik has further to add, after he feels complete explanation. Engh also states that they have some general questions that many of the relatives and survivors want answers to.

Behring Anders Breivik: – So they said “No we will not execute you.” So we went up the second floor of the main house. And then they started hearing that lasted for maybe five hours. [Long pause]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – I have a question for you Breivik but is there something you want to add now in connection with Utøya. [Breivik: - I come at the most now, but if I have forgotten something, only to ask] – [Drinking water]. I have some general questions to you in relation to what happened on the island, but I think we’ll start with some questions related to how you moved around the island. There are some things I want to hear more about. There are many concerned and many wonder enough at what you did at the various locations. You’ve described how you came by boat, and the first two murders at the information building. Why did you shoot several shots at these first two you killed?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was to assure me that I killed them. [Engh ask for details of a single murder at the café building.]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – [Engh ask for details of individual killings at Café Building] So you said that you went to the café building. And outside the entrance to the café building was found a group of people who were killed. Do you remember anything specific about this group?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Could you specify on the drawing? {Bejer Engh shows Breivik point] I do not remember anything about it.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – So on the front cafe building, where all the windows are, it [talk about the same as is found]. [Breivik: I remember very well that I was there.] [Tell a woman he talked to. Describes the exchange of words] Why did you do that? [Breivik: to confuse them.] – [Breivik: - Yes, right.] But you remember that is not about you shooting people on the side of the building?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I remember that I shot [people] but had never overview. I had to constantly look around me so that I did not get a stick in the head or a blunt object in the head.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Before you went into Café building extension beyond the tent? [Breivik: - At one time or another I shot through a series of tents. But it was the opposite side of the tent, but I do not remember] – [The prosecutor now ask detail about the weapons that were used and Breivik answer.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – There was a view that magnifies three times, it is a long-distance sight.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Do you remember how long you stood and shot outside the Café building?

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Breivik lets look around the room, from prosecutors to judges of their own defenders, while Bejer Engh makes the question of small-and large hall.

VG: – [Breivik will now see an outline of the Café building showing the location of each victim, prosecutor ask any question referring to his statement to police about his movements in the building] [Breivik and the prosecutor discussed details of the building and is slightly disagree with the notion]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – [Prosecutor asks additional detail about the murders in this house. Breivik answer.] [The prosecutor asks detailed questions about the various killings in this room. Breivik describes reactions.]

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Engh ask Breivik explain more about what happened inside the café building. Breivik says that there were many who cried and many who begged and begged for his life. In there, he changed magazines before he continued to shoot. Breivik talking to Grassland in a very calm and controlled tone.

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Breivik said he was called a figh-to-fight-mode and was bomardert with a thousand thoughts. He explains the restrained and at a leisurely pace that he thought much, but that he did not have time to take an ethics check.

Comments from VG Marianne bay: There is unrest in the audience when he says Breivik charge of, and shot two youths who acted like they were dead. People look at each other. Thurs survivors rise from their seats and leave the room.

Behring Anders Breivik: – [The prosecutor asks questions about what to charge for. The prosecutor asked how he thought. He says it is cruel.] It is important to grasp is that when you are in a “fight or flight” mode, so the brain is bombarded with your thoughts. There are a thousand thoughts rushing through your mind and you do not make an ethical check … – .. that you normally would if you killed a person without being in this mode. It is a mode you are in the brain tries to protect you. Because you are so traumatized that your brain shuts off some features. – When you do not have to do, you can not do any ethical evaluation before every action, because your brain does not have the capacity to process it.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Does that mean that you are in that situation did not feel anything? [Breivik: - It was extremely difficult because I have two the first shot and shot Bosei and Berntsen, it goes against human nature. But that I had done that I got in fight or flight mode, it was much easier.]

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Breivik has a serious facial expression, but he seems to have no trouble explaining all about killing the cruise. Mass murderer says that he thinks the first killing was difficult, but that it was easy after a while.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – We have heard the shots from this little room.

Behring Anders Breivik: – So it was much easier to implement it than the first two shots. But it was difficult, I think thousands of thoughts. I knew it was wrong, but I did it. – [Why was it wrong, ask Bejer Engh on] It’s always wrong to take another life, it is the most extreme acts a human can do. But considering it against the overall objectives. For a militant nationalist, it is.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – You consider your actions as legitimate? [Breivik: - That's right, but it does not mean that the acts were barbaric for it. Do you remember how close you were when you shot [a group of people]?

Behring Anders Breivik: – [Explains the details of the murder. Engh: - Extension to all in the head] Yes. [Engh: - Why did you shoot all in your head?] The goal was to kill, and then it’s a natural place to shoot someone.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – [prosecutor describes a new room, and ask questions about details] Do you have memories of it? [Stiller questions about details] Do you remember anything from there?

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Breivik says he shot some of the youngsters in the minds of just 10 centimeters. Breivik lose concentration for a second. He looks straight into the desk with deep furrows in the forehead while Bejer Engh turns the focus towards a placard of a cafe built on the big screen. She must address Breivik twice before he starts to talk about the killings.

Anders Breivik Behring – I seem to remember that the speaker stood at the top right. [Breivik thought it would be a group where fatalities]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Can you describe something closer to (…)? [Breivik: - I thought that [enter details as he remembered it from the building remember what he calls "skirmishes".]

VG: – Engh refer to the map marked with likfunn. She asks questions about some bodies which have been found. Breivik answered that he did not remember. He describes how he thinks he has gone, but are unsure of their movements through the house.
prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – When you walked out of this building, how it looked there? Inside the house.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was absolutely horrible. [Breivik said there was a group of people there and there was blood everywhere]
prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you have any idea how many you have killed at that time? [Breivik: - What I thought when I was arrested was that I had shot maybe 20-30 people. ] When you were arrested on the island?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Once again questioning the Utøya, so I reasoned out that I had shot 40 people. At this point, so thought I had killed fewer than I had, because I did not remember completely.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But you had no idea here of how many you killed?

Behring Anders Breivik: – perhaps less than ten people, nearly twelve. [You know you have killed the three at about the house, says Engh before Breivik interrupts her] – What happens is that your brain feel … you are traumatized. As a result, your brain begins to delete the photos, to help you, against your will. I think that’s why I’ve forgotten so much.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Was it important for you how many you actually had killed at this time? – At this point, you have killed 21 people. [Long pause] – You said somewhere that twelve people would be enough to kill. Why did you not to kill when Breivik?

Behring Anders Breivik: – My goal was not to kill 21 people, but killing 600 people. [Prosecutor: Can you repeat that?] What I thought then was that most people have tried to swim, so I assumed that everyone had begun to swim would be broken. When enough people were sent on the water, I called the police for the first time. It was tankgegangen when I was there

VG: – Breivik take the lid of the carafe, take a glass of water, put the lid back.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But is it correct to understand that at this time when you left the café building thought you had not killed enough people?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What was the goal was to shoot enough people and so many people were scared of the water. [You did not answer my question Breivik, I wonder if you had any thoughts about when you left the café building if you counted the number of fatalities, ask Bejer Engh] I had no thoughts.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – [how many he had wanted to kill] you had no thoughts about it. Why was it important for you?

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – So you can not answer me now if it was of importance to you how many you have killed at this time?

Behring Anders Breivik: – At the time, was it a thousand thoughts in my head. What I thought when I came out of the Café building was to kill as many people as possible. I did not think the courts. It was only later when I thought the lens was finished that I thought of this. – But it was not at the time there.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Breivik heading in the chair before he leans forward and picks up a water carafe. He keeps the boys in the trap caught with his hand on the lid without taking it off, for over half a minute while he says “my goal was not to kill 21 people. My goal was to kill 600″. Finally, he takes off the lid and fill his cup with water and drink the plastic cup. Breivik drinks while Holden talks

prosecutor Svein Holden: – Breivik, the reason we ask you just this is that when you talked about the government building left an impression on us that you would not have gone to Utøya if you heard on the radio that there were more than 12 dead .

Behring Anders Breivik: – I think I was very unsure about it. I remember that I said it, but basically I knew already that the ministries had failed to advance, because two thirds of the employees were on vacation, plus I came there after two, so I knew that two-thirds had gone home. – Soap that was less than .. I calculated that there were 50 or a hundred again. So I calculated that fewer Dec. 1 would be killed. So it was probably wrong to say that my goal that day was to kill 12 people. It is wrong. – So it is wrong to say that the goal was to kill twelve people that day.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – But if you had been told on the radio that there were over 12 dead. [Breivik: - I do not know what I had done. I did a lot of reviews that day and the time.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – Basically, before I started the day so I thought already that the government quarter had failed already, because I got there too late and because I failed to make the bomb before the summer holiday, so really I thought to do Utøya anyway.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – Exactly. And we wondered, was the fact Utøya was determined in advance?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was decided in advance, yes, I had also thought that if the building had collapsed, then it may be that I had not gone further.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – You say “might”. What do you mean by that? [Breivik: If I had managed to collapse the building, it would have been a successful campaign.] Thank you.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Let’s see Breivik, then I just .. I have some questions about the description you give of further actions. The tent space you stand and shoot. Do you have any recollection of how long you shoot then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – maybe up to 15-20 seconds. [Engh: - Were there many people there when?] They are on the other side of the tent. – Yes in the end there and I use charged and ends with shooting from the hip.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – So you say you meet someone, and so do you remember that you have shot [ask for a single murder.]?

VG: – They are discussing a single murder.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – [Tells about the people who died in the tent]

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: While going through Brevik killings, breathing Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen heavily.

VG: – [Bejer Engh questions about a group of ten that were found on the trail love] [It is questionable from Bejer Engh about a person who survived] [Breivik believes that the person must have acted like the person was dead]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Then there are descriptions, as we have analyzed the case, that you shoot down a cliff. Do you have any recollection of this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, it is probably the slope which is the Love Trail. [Engh says that there are many who are injured here, and ask Breivik what he thinks about it.]

VG: – [Breivik considering that there were many who had trouble finding hiding places. Tells about his thoughts on that it was long distance and talk about how he shoots and his choice of weapons. Answers detailed questions about the killings.] – [Breivik think about this for a while when he responds to prosecution questions] [Breivik describes consistently the victims as women and men and not boys, girls and children]

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is one thing I forgot to say in place. There has been a claim from a AUFer that I have laughed or smiled when I walked around there. I can only disprove. I have never laughed or smiled there. – [Engh: - Why not?] Why I do not have joints? Why would I laugh when I was there?

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – They have given a description of you laughed.

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Breivik will take up that AUF has been alleged that he smiled and laughed as he killed. That he refuses to. Holden interrupts and asks if he has control of when he smiles and laughs. Breivik says that there is much he does not remember, and that he can smile as a protection mechanism. Yet he believes that he did not.

Behring Anders Breivik: – There is a AUFer who said it and it has been rumor and not true.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – Breivik, you always have control of when you smile and not?

Behring Anders Breivik: – As I said, there is much I do not remember from there. Very often I can smile about defensive … As a defensive mechanism.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – How can you rule out that it did not happen at Utøya?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have no memory of it anyway. If I smiled I do not have joints. I can not believe I’ve smiled or laughed. I remember anyway, I’m sure I do not have joints. There is no reason to make it out there. If I had done it had I probably said it because I have said anything.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – So you think the police have gone down Love trail and ended up on the southern tip. Where are you at approx. 17.40. Do you remember anything from the pinnacle here the first time?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I guess I’ve only been there once. I’m pretty sure I have not been there once before. When I went down Kjærlighetsstien first time, so I strode up to the school shop, and then I went back to the main house. – So, it was the very end that I was on Sydspissen.

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: Defender Geir Lippestad sitting with a serious gaze directed at the prosecutor Engh. Already during the press conference yesterday he said that today is the most difficult in court.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Your recollection is that you go down the path and cross over to the woods behind the school house. [Breivik: - Oh that right, it was the two people] [Breivik pointed up in the air and clearly have an a-ha experience] – Only the memory of the once Sydspissen. Ok. So, you explained that you go into the woods [describe the dialogue between young people Breivik encounter]. Then I realized that moving to Skolestua. (…) Why did you do that?

Comments from VG Marianne Vika: Holden’s head is leaning against both fists, while he supports both elbows on the table. He looks at his colleague Bejer Engh when she speaks, in Breivik when he speaks.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I remember it really. It has proven that .. . When I was questioned there as I looked at Skolestua and thought “oh, yes, there have never been.” – I may recall that I could have done it. And I thought that I did not go in there because then I would have been struck down with a blunt object. – But I remember when I was out there as I recall had not been there. [Bejer Engh: - So when you say you've been there, you have been told that you have been there by the police? - Maybe. Or maybe it's partially memories. I am a bit unsure. [The prosecutor Bejer Engh: - I remember going on to this house, house information where you have your stuff alone. Retrieve more ammunition when?] – Votes. There were three or four new magazines. There were two .. One or two Glock and two magazines for the rifle.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you then run out of ammunition when you got back there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is good question. This is possibly I had some magazines again. Maybe more. [Bejer Engh: - Now you've told a few smoke bombs, and it was to get people out of there] Yes, that was it.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – You had your fuel with you. What did you want to get turned on then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was the main house and on the opposite side of the main house.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Yes, about the house and storehouse that is on the other side. How was the fuel was going?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is possible, I took them out of the box [Bejer Engh: - It's when you can not find the lighter?] That’s right.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – You said that you went down to the pier of broken and at a different time?

Behring Anders Breivik: – That’s possibly sooner if I should trust any of the witness reports. [Engh asks him not to think about the witnesses.] I do not remember. It may have been before, it may have been after.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But you remember a boat that fired on a boat?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not remember that I shot at “Reiulf”. I remember I shot against another boat that looked like “Thorbjorn.”

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Do you remember if you shot on a boat? [Breivik: I remember that I shot from another boat.] Do you remember that you saw something on the land there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, I remember I saw a police car, or an emergency vehicle, and there was much activity there, it was a man who ran across the pier. I considered whether I should fire at the other side of the pier, but I did not. – But just when I thought that now it is surely a sniper on the other side who have much better aim than I have. Charged mine was not good enough to hit the other side. Charged mine was calibrated for a hundred meters, but it was six hundred feet to the other side.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Were you afraid of getting hit [Breivik: - I was not afraid of it, I was worried about it] – What is the difference between what?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, fear is something you can displace, while concerns are something you should be … Or you should be worried.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – What were you at that time? Breivik: (…) I was only there at some point. – Were you afraid of dying at that point? [Breivik: - No I was not there] – So do you explain that you go up to the café building. When did you find a mobile phone? Gave up looking for the lighter at the time?

Comments from VG Morten Hopperstad: The court is adjourned for today. Breivik rises from the witness box, applied handcuffs and goes to the defenders. He speaks with Lippestad arrestforvarerne while standing around him. Now he carried out.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I think I tried to go into the cafe or kiosk, but it was locked. So I considered going into the door that was there, but then I thought ‘no, it’s probably pretty strict, since it is an AUF camp. They are certainly not allowed to smoke here and do not sell lighters. ” – So I thought, “Maybe it’s a lighter in the kitchen?” I meant to remember that there was a kitchen there, so I went in to look.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – If we quit now?

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – When we finish. The court is adjourned….

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