Breivik testimony April 18, 2012

Oslo District Court 04/18/2012

[04/18 This post will be updated]

Google translation:

Day 3: Pressing Breivik about claimed Liberia trip – word for word
4/18/2012

Read Wednesday’s first part of prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden questioning by Anders Breivik Behring below:

VG: – Here you can follow Breivik’s testimony in court today. The court set on just over twenty minutes.

VG: – The four experts are sitting and talking with each other while prosecutors Bejer Engh and Holden have taken their places.

VG: – Now, Breivik defenders into the room and sits down.

VG: – They exchange a few words before Bejer Engh come over to the two and talk a little bit.

VG: – Now Holden is also lost, and the four talking together before the judge and the accused enters the room 250

VG: – Breivik is now in the saddle. He stands around the four attorneys accompanied by police officers.

VG: – Breivik make their right-wing greeting before he sits down in his place. He has not taken the witness stand yet.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – When is the right set. I see there are film cameras here, and assumes that the NRK cameras. When we allow broadcasting. We will find out how we are doing in terms of time.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – Honourable Court, when it comes to driving the plan forward, we believe that we are pretty well on track. As I announced in the keynote speech, this is the period we are now entering the prosecution and the defendant who has a different opinion. We spend the day today on this subject, and tomorrow we go over to the summer of 2006, and the episode in regjeringskvatalet and then on Friday, Utøya, and Monday afterwards and other things that are natural to take.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – It is certainly the preliminary plan we have.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – It sounds good. Then it is realistic that we do, Lippestad? Lippestad said, that’s it.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – I ask the defendant to take a seat in the witness box.

VG: – Prosecutors Engh says that defends Lippestad want about an hour to comment. This class will likely come in the morning.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Before we begin to ask new questions, Breivik, so I thought I would say one thing. This was from yesterday that you had a broken nose. In the interview with the doctor from Bunes Clinic, says that it was a plastic surgery, it says nothing about a broken nose, but I will not go into it.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Engh, be as good as you continue your examination.

VG: – Breivik has two microphones in the witness box and the defendant confirmed that he uses it right.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Photographers must leave the room at five past ten. Now it’s just still images.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I asked you many times yesterday if there were any conditions in Norway or internationally that had influenced you in your particular radicalization. And when I perceived that it took some time before you answered me.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – And then, in this connection I want to be keep up to your first interview that you gave, it was still Utøya while you were there.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [The judge asks the photographers to leave the room] When I read from a passage from the interview that you have voted early in the case. When you say to the police: The reason that Knights Templar was established [Lippestad wonder which side we are talking about] 1 May 2002 was triggered because of Bondevik and Vollebaek’s support for the invasion of Serbia (…).

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When they wanted to deport Muslims in Serbia to Albania. It was umuiliggjort through NATO invasion, which was authorized by Bondevik and Vollebaek.

Breivik: – Yes, that is, as I said earlier, it was the straw for many nationalists who chose to go on to become militant.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – And that you then ended up meeting, you talked about in any case?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have not said all but one of them.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Now I have to apply minded. I have not felt that you have given up on democracy, but you’re still looking, is that correct?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [If confirmation from Breivik] Then I wondered if you tried to make contact with someone in Norway?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was just a coincidence that I came into contact with on the internet. I wish not to reveal what, but generally I have applied to the European militant nationalists. I’ve realized that the nationalist community in Norway but it is velfdig monitored.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It will make the process of direction for the agencies more complicated by going over national borders. It makes it ten times less likely to end up on a list.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Does that mean that there was a conscious thought on your part?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I’ve said that it was really a coincidence that I came in contact with a person.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In relation to Norwegian nationalists, were you afraid of being discovered by the Norwegian authorities?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It represents maybe something I was searching for. Had it been any different had I gone the other way. It was a coincidence that I came in contact with someone on this site.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What were you thinking at the time of the Norwegian nationalist community? [Breivik think about this for a while without answering.] If they had something to offer you?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, I … I know some of the Norwegian nationalist militants environment, and what I wanted, it was really a coincidence that jkeg came in contact with this person.

Anders Breivik Behring – I was probably very skeptical of the Norwegian community because they were monitored.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was it a problem that they were monitored?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There was a problem, because you do not want to be monitored.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So have you told that you came in contact with someone on the internet, you can tell us a bit more about it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not say anything more than what I have said in interviews, not under any circumstances of how I came in contact, but it happened in 2001. It is the foundation that I went to Liberia and London.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Where did this person was located?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not wish to tell anything about.

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to tell something more about the circumstances surrounding it … But it happened on the internet.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Was there a person in Norway or abroad?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was abroad.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What happened after the initial contact with the person.

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to tell something more about it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – This you have told about the interrogations, you know that I said that the court has not read a single interview by you. So when you refer to police interrogation, it is difficult for the court to understand, so it is somewhat important that you …

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, it was a person I came in contact with, that was how it started for me, and that’s how I came into contact with others.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I came in contact with several people, in the end I went to Liberia and London, and had a meeting with three others. It has been very limited contact. That’s what I have said to the police, and I have not said anything more.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But I have understood that what you have told the police you can tell in court?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I want to give you an overview of what I have told the police.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – The Court thus has not read your questioning.

Behring Anders Breivik: – The police have pushed myself a part of the question, I do not approach the extremes of what I can say.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But this jack you say you had in Liberia. how long was why you went to Liberia when you created this contact on the internet?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Half a year maybe.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Also, you say that you went to Liberia and what is the reason you went right to Liberia?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would meet a person. It was a militant nationalist.

Anders Breivik Behring – He lived there at that time.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Which country was he from?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, in part, one can say that. [Prosecutor: - Would you say his name?] No, I do not want to disclose information that could lead to other arrests.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – This, then, was a Serb who was in Liberia and the militant nationalist? [If the confirmation FRAS Breivik] Do you know why he was in Liberia.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes I know why he was in Liberia. It was because we look at it, he was a military completely but according to the War Crimes Tribunal in Yugoslavia, he was a war criminal.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Why was he called a war criminal?

Anders Breivik Behring – He had defended his country.

Anders Breivik Behring – He had fought against the Muslims in his country.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What does he feel about NATO and its intervention in this conflict.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Spoken you anything about it?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to tell something that happened in Liberia.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But you say he was wanted, or wanted by the international criminal tribunals, it’s that you say?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not know the exact circumstances surrounding it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was he in Liberia because he was hiding, or were there other reasons?

Anders Breivik Behring – I interpreted it as that, yes.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Also did you, but then I realized it was him you came in contact with the web?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have not said that it was hjan I came in contact with online.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But what was the reason you went to Libera just to see him?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What was the reason? The reason was that I would visit him.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But how did this condition?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not say anything more about it.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I came in contact with this person in Liberia because of this first person I came in contact with.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, it is not.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Who then is this person you came in contact in Liberia?

Anders Breivik Behring – I met him in London.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What role did this man you met online, in your journey to Liberia? Was it he who had put it together?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – And the first person you had contact with online, what nationality was he?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not say anything more about it.

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to say any information that could lead to an arrest

Behring Anders Breivik: – In the worst case it is. [Prosecutor: But what about the Serb?] I have conveyed the information earlier, I wrote about it in contact. And I’ve said before that I’ve said too much in the compendium, and I regret anything I wrote.

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I said was that it was coincidence that made ​​me got in touch with this person.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you have any concerns in having contact with him since he was wanted?

Anders Breivik Behring – I was probably worried about it, but I acted perhaps rash. I could have had more reservations.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What subject could you all?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The only sure way to not get caught by the intelligence authorities (…)

Behring Anders Breivik: – As long as you come in contact with someone, you take a big risk.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But the risk it took you then.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Were you aware that he was wanted when you went to Liberia?

Anders Breivik Behring – I got that impression, yes.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It goes without saying, (…)

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What was the reason why you met the Serb?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I told the police earlier that I was quite young. I was 23 years.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Just to get the dates clear: You say that you are applying in 2001, you can contact a half before you go and you go down in June 2002. Yes. Just … Then I broke off a bit, go ahead.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, they did welcome their reservations as well. They would perhaps eliminate the possibility that I was a curious person, and (…)

Behring Anders Breivik: – Because it’s dangerous to go down to Liberia at the time.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What was the reason why they wanted to talk just to you?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was a coincidence really, to get in contact. I do not want to reveal anything more about it than that.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was a half years before I started graduate company.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – That professionally how did you do?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You live in the residence, and you work in the SNT. So we’ve been through politics, you were vice president of FpU, you were online and you were a member of the Progress Party branches. What would the Serb get to meet you?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not say anything more about it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Not the kind of people he wanted to get in touch with?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have written some of the compendium.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I stand for everything I have written.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – We have made ​​it so that we have taken out a few excerpts from the lecture notes as we would like to ask some questions from Breivik. We’ve heard that it was difficult to follow from other courts. These will be displayed on the screen.

VG: – Prosecutors say they will ask Breivik about some things from the manifest.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When you say, Breivik, that you have dealt with this manifesto, which you shed light on the meeting and contact with the Serb. Here is it … [The prosecutor read from the manifest. Interrupted by Lippestad, who do not understand which side she is reading.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [Lippestad: - Yes, okay. When I'm in! Bejer Engh continues.] Can you explain a bit what’s here?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, it’s written in a punktløs way. In principle, it is the people who have considered their contacts, have considered many, at least it resulted in that I went home.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But you say they did a background check on you. What did they do to check you out?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was to try to find out if I was the flag, if I had been a member of the radical right organizations. They believed that they were able to find out that I had not been. It did, too.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How they managed to obtain the information?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not know, what you ask them.

Behring Anders Breivik: – They did well different background scan through the internet maybe.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What would they find on the internet about you?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When you say them, who are they?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is those individuals that I have referred to earlier.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – He was in contact with you on the internet and he Serb?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not wish to enter.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, it’s true. But it is written in a pompous manner.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I use some adjectives to convey it in a pompous manner.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Can you come up with an example of a pompous adjective?

Behring Anders Breivik: – For example, “military tribunal”. It’s a way to describe an organization. It is not wrong in principle.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But it is written in the first sentence that you came in contact with a Serbian cultural conservative. At least as I perceive it.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have just described a person for the police. I do not say anything more about them.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You said just now that it was a coincidence that you came in contact with them on the internet. [Reading from the manifesto]. How was it a coincidence that they ended up with you?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is important that … Police have misunderstood. They believed there were several hundred individuals who had been accepted and the group were picked out a few, but I have not written.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What are you writing?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In Norway, for example, if you go on the secondary – and tertiary contacts.

Behring Anders Breivik: – The outer edge of the Relationship circuit. Then I did several hundred acquaintances in Oslo too. If I make an organization; in Norway, I would have considered all I had been in contact with throughout their lives.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But what you describe here?

Anders Breivik Behring – I describe well the conditions for the meeting.

Behring Anders Breivik: – That is what I have been told, but do not say anything more about it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How did you feel it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, I have been in the same situation myself, I have considered several hundred people too.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Now I’m concerned about you, what do you think?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is natural to consider the whole circuit’s acquaintance. If one is to judge who is a suitable candidate.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But you write here that we have considered several hundred, and it says that you have been informed by them. How did you feel when they ended up choosing you?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have already described that it was a magnificent presentation of what happened. I came in contact with a person went down there.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But did not you answer my question – what did you feel?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to tell something more about the process. [Breivik says he is telling the truth to questions about it]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When you say “training course”, where would it be?

Behring Anders Breivik: – That is it, “training course” can be anything from dissemination of knowledge to physical exercises, and the word I have chosen to use there, it’s so obtust that it can be interpreted in all directions.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I agree, but you wrote it, so I wonder what kind of sense you mean by this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was mostly information. But I would not specify what I mean by this.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You write here that they searched for centuries for such a training course. Was he the Serb who wanted this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is all scientific topics related to revolutionary activity. Everything from the rhetorical strategies, bomb-making … Everything possible.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Who should learn who it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not wish to tell anything about.

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to tell something about it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How did the Serb at you when you met him?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not say anything more about Liberia.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was there any special qualities in you that he considered useful?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not say anything more about it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You have been questioned about this several times. I would like to say what you have said to the police. [Bejer Engh will read from a document, Breivik says it's ok] You say that it was coincidence that the accused came in contact with the first person where the accused is very results oriented.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – “He was in many ways a multi-talented back then in terms of persuasion and rhetoric. He built trust. It has always been. He had hostile intentions. He could have infiltrated all organizations in Europe, except Muslims, of course. “[From police interrogation]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [The prosecutor read on in the excerpt from the interview, and continues with one more. Breivik smiles as she reads.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – May I ask what exactly is the purpose of what you put up to now?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – The purpose of my reading up what you have told the police and have your comments about it. [Breivik repeats his question about what the prosecutor's intent is with these questions]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – It may well be that you mean it is not important. But I want to illuminate it.

Behring Anders Breivik: – But the intention is to try to cast doubt on the existence of the KT network, that is what you try? Just so we are clear. that’s what you try.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – And when I read the interview … [Interrupted by Breivik]

Anders Breivik Behring – I hope you put less emphasis on ridicule, and more on the matter. The police have focused on cases from the compendium, which I regret that I have written. I hope you focus on the case and not a person.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [referring to the interrogations in which the accused is described] sold you in with the Serb?

Behring Anders Breivik: – One can say that it is done indirectly, in any case, if you want to make a good impression on people. One tries to show its best features.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But is it that they were looking for particularly gifted individuals?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is perhaps a little ridiculous way to say it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Why is it ridiculous?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I understand that it is ridiculously written, as I have described, is the compendium a draft, it has not been through editing. There is a lot of what I have written is ridiculous, just as it is said.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But here, as I understand it here, Breivik, here you describe something that happened? As you have been involved in?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There are things you’re trying to illuminate. [Holden adds the extra questions if there is a draft]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But on your resume, what did they think about your political involvement in the Progress Party and FPU?

Behring Anders Breivik: – They got access to my background. [Prosecutor: To resume?] Yes.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Do you remember anything about how they reacted to your resume?

Behring Anders Breivik: – For them it was that I had a criminal past and was not affiliated with other extremist organizations.

Behring Anders Breivik: – The main focus of these were what I just said. [The prosecutor asked if they knew about his political activity. Breivik not wish to answer.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was there anything beyond the resume they had made ​​that they would be in touch with you? [Breivik do not want to answer]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Is there anything more than CV that makes want to have contact with you?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The basis of the contact was accidental. Prosecutor: But what about you? Breivik: I will not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But in this interview you will be prompted. Here they ask “have access to the resume?” then answer elusive. Have they?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is not relevant to the issue.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But in this interview you said that the people you came in contact with had your CV. Interview when asked if there was anything beyond that would CV that they wanted to contact you?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you get a feel for what Serb thought of you when you got down there, did you get good contact?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to tell something about it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did he know that you had not been in the military?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Thank you. What you said was taken completely out of context. There was a sequence where the police tried to ridicule my background, I wrote a lot more than the two points. The most important thing was that I did not have criminal backgrounds, and that I had not been any radical organizations.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – At this time you had any contact with him were you with the Progress Party. Would he have any warranty (…)

Anders Breivik Behring – I know what’s coming in the next two hours. We can actually just skip it. Police do not think there’s any explanation, they do not think there is any person I came in contact with. But police have not even questioned the person I spoke to in Serbia, because Serbia will not cooperate with the Norwegian police.

Anders Breivik Behring – I know you’re going to delegitimere my explanation now. We could keep on for two hours but .. [Breivik seems exasperated Bejer Engh questioning now]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I understand that you are of the opinion that we believe that the network can tell, that we doubt that exists. What do you think about it, the police doubt it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What surprised me, I have already said that I am very concerned about the 8,000 Facebook contacts, that you should look at the specifics, as it turns out that you have not done it, that you do not have any interest to do so, or interview any of those in Serbia, because you do not believe in me.

Behring Anders Breivik: – You have not done (…) to follow up. I understand that you have chosen a line and follow it. I understand their mandate.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But now I understand it that way by how we look at it. It’s right up here, what should be the outcome of this case. There are those who will enter judgment. If you and I disagree with this. I ask you questions, you can say what you feel is the truth. The court determines what is this network and what is the truth. Do not get hung up in what I do.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is only to information for everyone else that the police wanted to investigate this.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Can we go a little bit then? [Breivik seems stressed, and certifies that they can continue]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – And then, before we move on to the Liberia-trip. I have asked this question many times now: Did you get an impression of what kind of people they basically wanted to get in? Were there any features that were particularly important?

Anders Breivik Behring – I will not tell anything about it except that it was a coincidence.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In your interview, [one of the first interrogations], say: [the prosecutor read from the manifest of who Knights Templar wanted to find]. Would you elaborate on anything in relation to that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, I think that basically, the compendium, which is basically the principle is called a terrorist school, so I think anyone can do it really.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Anyone? What you have done? Are you serious?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – With the specified detail makes it all easier.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Would all clearly mental, by doing that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Do not women, perhaps, one of ten women, perhaps, not all men either. It’s certain circumstances that is required, one must for example be born with a spine, and it is not all that is.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Why are you talking about women? Do you think that women do not have the same opportunities as men?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Basically, they have it. However, if you look at the revolutionary activists as it is one of ten are women. It is more likely that the men had done so.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But your message now is that anyone could do it, if they had trained up?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Basically, yes. In that sense it is a little off what I said, so far. One need not be particularly gifted, but you have to be willing to go a very long way.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No more than others. Maybe.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How do you see this?

Anders Breivik Behring – I think with determination and good attitude can all do everything.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But that which I read here, that they were looking for extremely talented individuals, and this with the Special Intelligence Database, what is it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It means you are in, for example PST database. One is on an intelligence list. Pst probably operate with three lists.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But why were these people keen to find extremely talented individuals, if you do not need to be extremely intelligent?

Anders Breivik Behring – I think probably it was a rather casual comment of mine. It was wrong that I know I wrote it that way. Prosecutor: But now I am reading from the police interrogation Breivik: I’ve probably given many casual comments there as well.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But I see you’ve been very careful to read through your questioning?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, but there are limits to how much you can do it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – This Liberia-trip. As we see it, you were there from 17 April to 3 May 2002. Can we add it to the ground? [Breivik confirms it]

Behring Anders Breivik: – But is not it pretty remarkable that I was in Liberia ‘. It’s not like Husby and Sørheim said that I was in a psychosis and had not been there.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh – I know you have been in Liberia, it is I also used. I am trying to find out why, i. What was the purpose of your visit?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not tell it. [Engh: Nothing?] No.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How was Liberia at that time?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was a civil war there. Only the capital again. It was the cowboy states. It was very extreme. Engh: How? Breivik: The capital city was full of refugees and people who were starving and had no clothes. It was just before the capital fell. Only a matter of time before the regime fell.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So it was not a pleasant time?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is the biggest hole I’ve been ii the world.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Do you remember your itinerary where you went away? [Breivik said he bought an open ticket so I could put a return journey via London] Why do not you remember this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Because it was ten years ago. I remember just not.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Do you remember when you visited London on the way back there?

Anders Breivik Behring – I was visiting London on the way back. [Engh ask if they took the same route home] We from the land in Kenya, but I do not remember if we did it way back.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In testimony tells you that it was the same route back and forth. Do you remember what you paid trip? [Breivik says no]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In the interview, you talked about the Ivory Coast that you went there first, is that right? Had to have a visa to Liberia How did you get a visa to Liberia?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not got a visa in advance, but they are so corrupt that you can just give them some money, then get the visa right away.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I see that you have obtained a visa from Liberia, the Ivory Coast on 17 How to pay your stay? Did you bring a credit card?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you bring a credit card? [Breivik says he believes he has paid the most cash but can not remember whether he had a credit card].

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – We have evidence that the Solli took place about 50,000 Norwegian kroner in cash, in Euros. Did you have any need for some protection while you were there?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to tell something about it. I prefer not to disclose information that could lead to other arrests.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How?

Anders Breivik Behring – I forwarded the 1100 pages of testimony. It’s so massive amounts of information so …

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But are you interested in telling us to right the same as you told the police?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is the principle of a little hard, I have not memorized 1100 pages.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When I ask you now, you’ve been asked the same question and answered it. You have answered if you were in need of protection or not, and now you have the opportunity to answer it yourself. [Breivik do not tell]

VG: – [Breivik will not say anything more about Liberia and distress now and ask the prosecutor to refer the questioning rather than answering self]

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Breivik, it will save time if you want to tell it, rather than that the prosecutor read it from police interrogations.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – It is the present, I can read it, but it takes more time. I understand that you are interested in telling the judge the same as you told the police?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not talk about Liberia and London. I have no idea of ​​what I have communicated and not.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You have said something about you needed protection down there, that you have already told?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Then I ask again: Did you have a need for protection down there?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to comment on Liberia. You can actually just skip that theme.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – The prosecutor read that Breivik before he went to Liberia wanted to have a party who was not affiliated with the party he visited. Says Breivik was in need of protection

VG: – Not really, says Breivik. [The prosecutor asks if it is true and if he remembers that he remembers nothing about those who would protect him]

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But Breivik, what’s wrong with telling something that you’ve already told the police?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Now I have passed more than I should have said. I have no overview. I do not want to say too much can lead to arrest.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Now you’ve already said it, what is wrong with repeating it here? [Breivik looks pretty uncomfortable now. He has already told the prosecutor that he thinks she is trying to "delegitimere" his explanation of Liberia]

Anders Breivik Behring – I may well repeat what I just said. I can well tell you about it for the third time why I do not want to say something about this.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Breivik, I would point out that you have the right to say anything more, but all this can be used against you. So, if you choose not to respond, it can be used against you.

Behring Anders Breivik: – In what way can it be used against me?

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – In the court’s assessment of the evidence can be used against you. We can not have these discussions all the time prosecutor.

Behring Anders Breivik: – But when I ask you to have clear the quotes you want to read up, to save court time.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [The prosecutor referred again from Liberia section of interrogations, where he talks about the bodyguards.] Is it true what is written here? Did these bodyguards when you come down at the airport?

VG: – Breivik asked if he had the need for protection. – I do not want to tell you more about Liberia and London.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you tell the bodyguards about why you were there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But is it that you have said in interviews?

Behring Anders Breivik: – One was for the authorities down there. I specified that I was working for UNICEF.

Behring Anders Breivik: – They took me to an interrogation room and asked why I was in the country. [The prosecutor asked more about his role in Libya and that he told in interviews that he was in Liberia in connection with UNICEF].

Behring Anders Breivik: – They were so corrupt that it does not matter what they are. I had a different cover; alleys of blood diamonds. I told them that that was why I was in Liberia. I created a scenerio where I wanted them to have a role in it, that it would be less likely they were to rob me and take my money.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So the government, they at the airport, they told you about UNICEF? Had you done anything to secure the cover there?

Anders Breivik Behring – I had been with UNICEF Norway and brought brochures. So that it would support the cover, I let it randomly, so they saw it when they opened the suitcase.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You say you were buying blood diamonds?

Anders Breivik Behring – I bought some equipment, a magnifying glass and some equipment, and so have the police investigation showed that I had ordered some brochures and a few other things to support the cover. I could not tell anyone that I was going down there to meet that person. Therefore, it was critically important that I made a very thorough cover.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh – and above those that would suit you? It was the diamond cover, the authorities used to UNICEF? [Breivik confirmed]

Behring Anders Breivik: – The reason was that they saw through me and see that I am not a person who would work for Unicef.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Why could you not have the same cover to those that the authorities down there?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So they had to look after you all the time?

Behring Anders Breivik: – [Engh asks if there are people he'd been all along] Not all the time, but on several occasions.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How would you have a cover when those who would look after you should be with you all the time?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was it a problem to have some cover for the diamond?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – 3 Did they at it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – 4 It is such a special story that people think it is not possible to find something like that.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – 1 What I wonder now’s the two you met you down. Are you considering finding a different cover to the friends who were less spectacular. Considered to say that you were going to charter?

Behring Anders Breivik: – 2: People would think, why on earth are you there? Prosecutors Engh: But you had to say that you were going to Liberia. Not for ent another country?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I told nobody that I was going to Liberia, I’m told it only to the closest friends. I think I told them afterwards. I think the one person told another, OPG, when it was just a bunch of history.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – The one person you told before you left – who is it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is one of the witnesses who are called in later.

Behring Anders Breivik: – At the time I had given a promise of a cover (…)

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – did you live with him at this time? Why did you all say that you were going to Liberia?

Behring Anders Breivik: – If you first must create a cover, the essence of it is that it is so similar to reality as possible.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Because you forget a cover. One should not lie in the first place. I am not a person who is lying, just as I said I was the pawn to my friends.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So you would not lie with the destination, but the reason you were there?

Anders Breivik Behring – I told him, that I had to keep my word, and therefore I could not tell why I was supposed to there.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Now we will soon have a break, but I think Holden had a question?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was a coincidence that I came in contact with him and it was a coincidence that I am in many ways went down to Liberia.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – I have a question for you Breivik. It’s one thing I wonder. What is the reason that this called for Serb wanted to meet just you. A 23-year-old NATO member Norway and active in the Progress Party who supported the bombing of Serbia?

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – random, this was a wanted man, you tell us, and you were subjected to screening?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was a coincidence that I came in contact with one person. It was essential that I came in contact with a person who knew this person. They wanted to establish a network.

Prosecutors Svein Holden – I’m not going to tell something about the circumstances of this

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is always a risk.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – How did they know what you were registered with the Criminal Record?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The two factors I mentioned somewhere that I did not have a criminal record and that I was not associated with any radical organization. I do not want to tell something about it. I was good at selling myself, and was a trustworthy person.

Behring Anders Breivik: – They interpreted it that I had not had a criminal background.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – What about this screening in relation to that you were not active in extreme environments, how they knew it, it was based on trust or was it screening?

Anders Breivik Behring – I’ve told a lot about it already, and would not comment on it.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is a screening process, so it went, of course, on trust. Holden: What you assume that they did in the screening process?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, it’s the same screening process that the court do when they are checking whether a judge is competent.

Behring Anders Breivik: – As this organization – when they run screening, they and google you? [Breivik: I do not think google existed at the time.]

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – Was it the screening process? [Breivik answer he did not know exactly what they did]

VG: – The court takes a break to ten over half eleven….

Original article: Dag 3: Presser Breivik om påstått Liberia-tur – ord for ord
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Google translation:

Day 3: Prosecutors take Breivik in shifting explanation – word for word
4/18/2012

Read Wednesday’s second part of prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden questioning by Anders Breivik Behring below:

VG: – Breivik be entered in court again. He talks a long time with one of the members of the court, still wearing handcuffs, before he entered the witness box.

VG: – The judges arrive.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – When is the right set. We continue the examination. Engh has the option to go directly to your questions. It seems that he has specific ideas about what he will and will not answer. He is their right not to answer too. It’s okay to ask questions, he will not answer and so appear more down in police interrogations.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Breivik, before the break you said several times that you do not have an overview of what you have told the police. But it’s important that you have in mind now that you explain to the court what is true. Not what you told the police or told to the police.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is important that we also understand my role in relation to the role of the police. It is not my task to lead to arrests, and I do not want to contribute to it. I know how you and Holden have put it up, and it’s very special that you avoid talking about my radicalization. You are trying to undermine my credibility, and that’s not what we are talking about.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Now we are in an examination phase. When it comes to strategy and such, I am confident that prosecutors will return to it later. Now it is most appropriate that we continue with the questions, and when I give the word to Engh.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – There we were on the trip to Liberia. [Engh summarizes some what Breivik said before the break].

Anders Breivik Behring – I had made ​​several purchases of artwork. I took it with the utmost seriousness, as I have also taken other cover in the future.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But you, what you bought, how did you cover it?

Anders Breivik Behring – I bought the diamond effects. [Do not go into what he used them] I would not comment on it, I can only really present what you want to get out, so you can comment. It had been the fastest in any case.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you bring the diamonds you bought to Liberia?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it. I am generally very interested to elucidate radikaliseringspunkter, but I do not want to do your delegitimiseringsstrategien easier for you. You may well refer to what I have said in the interview.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How long were you down there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment either Liberia or London [Engh: Nothing] No.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [Engh read from an interrogation] In interviews, you said that you were there for two or three weeks together, correct? [Breivik confirm this].

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Were you tested in any way when you were down there? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it] [The prosecutor read from the police interrogation] Is it true?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Everything I’ve said in the interview voices. I do not want to comment on Liberia or London.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What is the danger of saying something about this now Breivik? [Breivik: I do not want to say something about this other than to highlight a few points around radikaliseringspunkter.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – We went through the course yesterday. [Breivik: - That's what is important in this case ...] It is a very important part too. [Breivik: - Not to ridicule me.]

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – Breivik, while Engh looking for the next quote from the interrogations, only I wonder: Why would an answer to this question help to delegitimere you?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have not said. But the strategy you’ve been up to now stems from the fact that you’re trying to document or explain my delegitimere related to Liberia and London. I am familiar with what you have done the research. You have called a witness [who Breivik believes prosecutors believe he also was there in connection with the diamond trade and to meet Serb]

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – But Breivik, can not answer the question about the physical trials you were exposed to, have the opposite effect, just to justify your stay down there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – You might be right, so I will probably tell you what I feel I can. [Holden: - Yes, so good!]

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, these trials I told the police. The trip was a trial, there was a danger to travel down there. Some of it was that I had to build confidence in them, they had to make sure I was a genuine person who wanted this.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – That he had confidence in you, right? [Breivik still want not to answer such questions]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – It is as Holden says, when you feel that I’m trying to delegitimere … why have not you wish to defend yourself? [Amp atmosphere between Breivik and prosecutors]

Behring Anders Breivik: – I understand that the police are interested in getting in touch with people associated with the KT network, but it’s not in my interest to provide information that can lead to an arrest.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But what was the result of his stay in Liberia? We have heard that you ended up in London. When was it decided that you should go to London?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not wish to comment.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Went straight from Liberia to London? [Breivik: It was shortly afterwards. I was not in Norway in the meantime.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh – I missed something: While in Liberia, do you remember if you use your credit card in any way?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not think they have any credit card terminals where [smiles].

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In connection with the journey, which includes two outlets of the bank card in the Ivory Coast. [The prosecutor rattles off some of the outlets and the date the parties] Do you remember that you left out of Liberia to take out money?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to tell something about it. I remember that I took out the money (…). I took them out in an emergency. It was the currency differences. I tried to go to the Central Bank of Liberia, but I had only exchanged one hundred euros.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you have to travel out of Liberia again, then? [Breivik: - Yes, I had to.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What happened, you went back to Liberia, then? [Get confirmation from Breivik]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So I asked you how long you were there and you confirm that you were there two or three weeks together. Remember when it was decided that you should go to London it was when you were in Oslo and was in Liberia?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it. [Engh: Do you remember if you had to make some changes to the ticket in London]

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But I understood that the Serb failed to?

Behring Anders Breivik: – That’s what I said earlier. You ask the questions you know I’m not going to answer.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – He had you been in contact with the internet, you said just now that he was at this meeting in London. Was he in Liberia as well?

Anders Breivik Behring – I’ve said it, yes. Do not want to comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When you come to London, where did you stay away then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – We find no payment in London, just use a credit card at a cafe 3 of May. [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How long were you in London. [Breivik: - A few days]. So you went to Oslo, and you were at home 3 May?

Behring Anders Breivik: – According to you, I was there [Breivik smiles. Engh: But you remember that you were there for a few days?]

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I have said previously that I was there for two or three days.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Do you remember your stay today? (Brevik, I remember any of it. I would not comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What you write about the London meeting of the Manifesto. [Bejer Engh read from the manifest.] Can you comment on that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not comment on anything.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Here you have mentioned a number of people with different names. [Engh reads a name in English]

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have said to the police, yes. He could not travel to London, why should I speak of his case.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What were your thoughts when he asked you to travel to London for you? [Breivik: - I would not comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Why had not he able to go yourself?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Most likely because he was in Liberia. I go based on that.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Do you have any opinion about the others who were in London, why they had ended up there = [Breivik: Will not comment on it]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Do you know why London was chosen?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was perhaps because of the initiators. [Breivik would not say who is the initiator]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You talked about a mentor in place. Who is the English your mentor? [Breivik would not comment on it].

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – It says “french catholic” it says here. So, you have accounted for this meeting in the police interrogation. Let’s see …

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – [While Engh finds papers] The information it displays is the right? [Get confirmation from Breivik.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have only met the people on that list. [Holden double check again if it's true] I was a little unsure of the date. But outside there should be correct. It is noted that the informajon passing votes. I met a total of four people in London. It is with the proviso that the information is correct, but I could not verify.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How could you know that there were so many? You had only met three people, not four. The fourth you met were Serbs, but he remained in Serbia and you were a proxy for him. Had he told you what to think of him.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But in this overview, you have been asked about this in interviews. [Engh says he writes or says that the inaugural meeting were accused's youngest member, but this was the Serbian war heroes in the 40-50-years.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – Refers to the meeting in London now? [Engh confirms it]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [reading from the police interrogation, the former Serbian war heroes] Where are they on the list?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There is only one Serb, but that person is represented by the other.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [Continuing to push Breivik]

Anders Breivik Behring – I’ve tried to recall it. But it’s right what’s in the compendium. There are too many details to remember. [Engh ask Breivik out in any detail now about these meetings]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Why did you think of what you had written? Why could not you just think about what you had experienced?

Behring Anders Breivik: – A lot of what the statement is reconstructed in retrospect, I have not taken detailed log book from 2002. Some are recharge afterwards. Therefore, there is some information I have reconstructed best of my ability. This is where the mistake with the City Council came [yesterday]. Also in the interview there will be some careless mistakes, then, for it is based on memory.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But now you say that when you wrote this … Was there a meeting in London?

Behring Anders Breivik: – If there was a meeting in London, yes it was a meeting in London [Breivik smiles this question]. I have not invented anything [Engh asks if he can find the meeting in London].

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – The question you got from Engh was, why could not memorize directly from the incident?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There are two sides of same coin, really. It is true that you said that I should have worded myself differently, I would say I remembered from what happened. But what’s in the compendium, that’s right.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Which three did you meet? [Breivik want to comment]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Examines it by saying who it was, I arrest anyone? [Breivik will not comment on it]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Do you know who it was you met? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors: – Can you describe the people you met, their background, who they were, their personality? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You have done it in the manifesto?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Can you say what you have written in the compendium? [I do not say it, says Breivik]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When we look at what you wrote in the compendium about it. [Read excerpt] Here, you say that it is one of the most elegant politicians (…)

Behring Anders Breivik: – [Breivik smiling broadly.] It is of course a pompous way of saying it. There are four people with tremendous integrity, so much integrity that they want to defend their country.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Figured it as soon as you met them?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It’s been an ideological journey. That is it for everyone unless you are not interested in politics. I’ve changed me a lot since then, it has certainly too. One of the things I’ve written in the compendium, I have written in retrospect.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I understand that you wrote it after you have experienced. You write not there and then, you write later when you get home.

Behring Anders Breivik: – But it is also part of the information was incorrect.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I do not want to say that when you write in retrospect, that you come home from London, are you writing about retrospect. Is that what you mean?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have not kept a journal since 2002.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Can you have remembered wrong?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In some cases, I do. [Engh: - in this case?] Basically this is correct, although I have described it in a special way.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I think you said yesterday that you would sell a message and promote an ideology. Then it is important that we find out what is true and what is invented.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is not something that is invented. One must see what is written in a context. The glorification of certain ideals, certain principles and certain motifs.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is communicated in a way that makes it a sales tool simply. But everything seems to vote. Selling in principle dreams. That is what is going on to sell an ideology. [Engh: But this is no dream.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – If you had to use one word, it’s …

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Now you say to me that you are describing a meeting in London. Was this to sell dreams?

Behring Anders Breivik: – now I talk really about the basis of sales. To sell anything sell you dreaming. Something you want people to embrace, regardless of what you want to sell. The compendium is the communication of reality as we see it. Anything that’s right.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You made ​​it nicer than it was, is that what you mean? [Breivik: - Do not want to comment on it]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – This pompous. I have heard many times. [Breivik: It is the same as nicer]. It is the answer, but you have made it nicer?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have said in interviews all the time that it is a magnificent way.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How do you perceive your role at the meeting in London in terms relative to the others? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it. It's not my job to shed light on what happened in London]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How was your age in relation to the others? [Breivik: I do not remember.] “I was the youngest there,” it says here. Did it matter that you were there.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Were you the leader at the meeting?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What role did you have on that meeting?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it. [Prosecutor: You previously had an English mentor, as you call Richard? I do not want to comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - But you will not say what type?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - Is it true that they got access to your CV?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - [Engh points out interrogations.] “Persons charged has written that he had and has a relatively close relationship with Richard, his first mentor,” Further down you say: “Persons charged were asked to explain whether it was Richard who wrote the part of the Manifesto. In relation to that Richard should have written the foundation of the part, not the accused explain further. He was the perfect knight “Is it foot soldier you mean by that?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Why did he try?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, that’s it basically, but you mentioned the perfect knight. In principle, means just what a perfect foot soldier that can carry a lot on your shoulders without assistance. It’s the starting point for the tank.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What is special about a knight? [Breivik is clearly tired now. He touches his eyes with one hand and poured himself into his glass of water]

Behring Anders Breivik: – What is special about a knight? There is a person who is strong enough to (…) it depends on what setting you see it. In the setting of a one-cell system, independent and self-propelled cells, the person shall be strong enough to carry out an operation without help from others

Behring Anders Breivik: – That he needs to master everything from rhetoric to convey knowledge.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Are you one of those perfect knight?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have never called myself a perfect knight. I said that I have tried to reach for those ideals. A perfect knight is a perfect foot soldier.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Are you a perfect foot soldier?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It’s a lot missing, but I feel I’ve done it I wanted.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Used you any nicknames? [Breivik will not comment on it]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In your manifesto you say that you have used code names. You have used the name of Sigurd [When the prosecutor says the name smiles Breivik very back]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [smiles wide] It was a ruler in the 1100s. Sigurd Magnussen’s his name. [Prosecutor: Why was the name used?]

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, for my part it is because he is perhaps the most significant leader when you are connected to the ideals we have, which is crusading identity.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Richard, then? You also describes his Richard Lionheart – why he used that nickname?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It makes you ask him if you had a chance to ask about it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Are there more nicknames that were used at the meeting? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How was it at the meeting in London? Did you have something special to talk about? [Breivik:-would not comment on it.] Four sweaty guys?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [Breivik will not comment on it] You said something yesterday about four sweaty guys?

Anders Breivik Behring – I did not say that we were four sweaty guys. But I explain my reasoning, but I put a little on the tip.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Were you dressed? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You wrote about some rituals in KT. If you had it in London?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What’s in the compendium is not an existing ritual, it’s a ritual I’ve made ​​myself because I think it’s a good ritual that can work for future members.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So then you have made ​​a proposal on how you think it should be. Did you have any thoughts you should use the principles there then. [Breivik says he has no further comments on it].

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What did you agree at this meeting? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [Engh refer again to the court documents] Let’s see. [Reading from the interrogations of KT meeting in London, about the religious aspects of the organization.] Here you say it is’ structure and symbolism and historical events. “

Behring Anders Breivik: – What you commented now, is a desire now, and was also a wish (…) between the nationalists, nasjonalkonservatister, as I am, and Christians. There are three types.

Behring Anders Breivik: – The platform that the compendium represents a bridge between the three groups. It was the intent then and it is now.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you then quite well agreed on what you should stand for? Did you have something in common (…)?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was common. What we have in common, it is also in the compendium. The principles. Regarding identity, the essence was to try to distance themselves as far as possible from National Socialism, because it was so soaked in blood. We felt it was important for the future of Europe, that you had to distance himself from the story. [Engh: - For the future?]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Would you create something completely new?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Were all agree, or was it you who made ​​the proposal? [Breivik want to comment]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Had you thought of something about Crusaders before you were in London. [It does not want to comment Breivik].

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was it decided that you should use the name Knights Templar then? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it. But I’ve basically written compendium that it was clear then.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So that means that the others at the meeting also spoke of themselves as members of the Knights Templar? [Breivik want to comment]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You had agreed to use the word Knights Templar. [This does not wish to comment Breivik] It says that you have said in your manifesto? [I stand by what I have said, says Breivik to this]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was it a good name? [Breivik: KT conveys crusader identity and it is a good name.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – For a platform that tries to reconcile three groups on the far right, it’s a good name.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was it talked about how you looked to you that you should change society?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How do you see for you to change society. Were you at the meeting agreed that you could solve it in the following manner? [I will not comment on it says Breivik]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Speak you that you should use violence? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Yesterday you talked about that some considered a grassroots movement. It may well say something about?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I can say is that I have said in interviews with police that at that point I had not decided I was going to blow up the ar ministries. I wanted to serve 30 million.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In London in 2002 had not decided to use violence? [Breivik would not comment on it]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you get any exercise at this meeting?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, I’ve written in the compendium is that I was asked to create a compendium.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What would it go on?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It goes on to create a foundation for a new movement in Europe. Making the compendium would contribute to the foundation.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Were the others to decide on what you should write something about?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, we did it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How did you bring that information? [Breivik want to comment on this.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What was the manifesto was that you wrote down fifty full pages of notes on the latest topics? [Yes that's right says Breivik]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Where did you find the information you wrote down from?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I read in this place, Richard the Lionheart that he had written the foundation of the Manifesto. Was what I read, then. What do you mean when you say it. If he had written a draft in advance, or?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [Breivik would not comment on it.] Is it true that he wrote the foundation of the Manifesto? [Breivik: All that stands in manifest votes]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Then I wonder why could not this Richard continue to write the manifesto or any of the others. Why did you do that? [It will not Breivik comment]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What is wrong with the comment why you got the task?

Anders Breivik Behring – I was asked about it. There are certainly to contribute to a cause, and you can contribute in many different ways. I was asked about it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You have described how the other place was. You have blown it up a bit. You have said that they were militants from Europe.

Anders Breivik Behring – I did not say I blew it up said it in a pompous manner. It was not just me who was asked about it [Bejer Engh now ask really in depth about these meetings in London].

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You have been asked in the interview. Was he at the same meeting that you? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But when you went there at these meetings, it was another who had been given this assignment, also were the one who had received the assignment. Could you run the risk that he did not write the same as you?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is not in my interest to shed light on what happened in London.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Because I do not want to disclose information that could lead to arrest.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You have created a compendium where you want to sell a message. Why do you wish to tell about it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is not an organization in the traditional sense. In the future there will be a lederløs organization. The basis for the creation was a hierarchy, but the term was meant to be éncellesystem.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But now my colleague a question, so if you just …

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – You said there would be a encellestruktur. But you said yesterday that while in London at the meeting there were some who wanted confrontation and someone would create grassroots movement [Breivik says he remembers what he said yesterday] was among the four of you there was a disagreement? [I do not want to comment on it].

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is not my interest to elucidate it. It add up.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – But Breivik, this trailer not add up. [Breivik: - What is it that does not add up?] How can you have harmony between a grassroots movement and a éncellestruktur?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Hvoirdan you can have harmony? We talk about the four independent individuals, each with their own thoughts on the sea they want before they will agree on what basis should be. The fact that people are different and do different assessments are completely natural.

Behring Anders Breivik: – What we agreed on the principles contained in the compendium. Outside of that … [Breivik let it hang in the air and does not complete]

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – Is it possible to organize a grassroots movement and be organized in a encellestruktur?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Well, it’s two different things, it represents two different fronts.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – Does that mean that there were no thoughts of a grassroots movement that came out of this meeting?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to go into what the meeting was about. [Holden says thank you for it Breivik]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh – I wondered why Richard could not write the manifesto instead of you. [Reading from the police interrogation] [Breivik scribbles something on his pad of paper while she reads. Then he raises his eyes again.] What do you mean by …?

Behring Anders Breivik: – But this is the reflections on it in retrospect. It’s not a conversation we had there and then.

Behring Anders Breivik: – General French nationalists might have trouble working with English because of the historical deficiencies. When I talk about the sofa generals, when you try to convey the cattle they have great difficulty communicating because they are keyboard warriors.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was Richard such a “keyboard warrior”? [It does not want to comment Breivik].

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But you say that it is important that the writer has credibility in relation to writing, and credibility in the fight. Did you know?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Perhaps the major problem of militant nationalists is that there have been very few examples from the 2 World War II, so if a keyboard warrior or couch General to take inspiration from al-Qaeda, but will not do it himself, so he will not have any credibility.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But what kind of credibility you had? What have you been?

Breivik: – The principle I mentioned now: If there is a person who glorify martyrdom to martyrdom in the right extreme environment in Europe has not he have any credibility if he would be able to promote the tradition.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did you have the prerequisites? [Breivik: No, I did not.] But you know you that task?

Behring Anders Breivik: – But to say that the weight of the compendium and the principles behind going to introduce new traditions among militant nationalists in Europe. If one is to implement something like this, there must be a force behind it. D

Behring Anders Breivik: – A “keyboard warrior” if he would try to introduce these traditions through martyrdom and other things you have to have the legitimacy to do so and it happens through the action for example.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Does that mean that you have no credibility until now after 22 July? [Breivik: Yes.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – And 22 July has given you the credibility?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is wrong of me to comment on it. But what is true is that there are many keyboard warriors who have passed on things that will promote us, but it is difficult to carry out martyrdom when one is afraid to die himself.

Behring Anders Breivik: – The problem in Europe after the 2nd World War II among militant nationalists is the lack of role models. [Are you a role model asks Bejer Engh] It makes others respond to.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – To end the meeting in London, I would like you to answer why the other three proud that you have handled the design? What did they gave you the confidence?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I said was that I was not the only one. I was asked. The fact that I was not the only one, may say that they are not attached very much trust in me.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Did not it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – If they had attached a lot of trust in me as they had not asked another.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Had I been in their situation I would have done the same.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You will create a new platform, bringing something new into. And if there is one, two, maybe three people who are writing these compendiums, so, one risks that they write very different things in their compendiums! What does that say about the seriousness of the network then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Eh .. it is a pragmatic approach. The purpose is to promote price sipping. (…) As long as you are fighting, it does not matter how you convey it. What is the essence of the KT network is to create a foundation for further resistance.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – It was not the content of the compendium is so important that it was like?

Behring Anders Breivik: – If I were the person who asked another, I would not bet everything on a card.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Just inject it: Breivik, so the other person is talking about?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Were you concerned about what the other person felt about the compendium? [Breivik would not comment on it]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When you left London and was home 3 of May. What did you do? Did you know that you had any sense traps. [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You have previously referred to yourself as a commander, or knight. Were you there then, when you were finished in London?

Behring Anders Breivik: – That is what I have added the word, is a cell commander [Engh: Did you feel that you were a cell commander then?]

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is basically just a pompous way to describe a foot soldier attached to others, who have a parent role.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – At this first interrogation at Utøya, say to the police who interrogated you, “My life ended when I ordained myself Knights Templar of Europe.” What do you mean?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It emphasizes not really going to ordain him. It is in principle out to put down an oath that they want to fight. It can be interpreted in many ways, but it ordineringsritualet as I mentioned in the compendium, it is more in line with what you said now, that you are waiving some material things, and you have to sacrifice for the cause. That you must live more ascetic, for example.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But you say that when the police confront you Utøya that “I myself ordained me to the Knights Templar knight.” Was it you or someone else who ordained you?

Behring Anders Breivik: – So I was at a meeting and it ordineringsutvalget I have made ​​in hindsight I made ​​a ritual. In the first explanations my so I passed on KT in a pompous manner

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When I read that you ordained yourself, is it not true?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I want to comment, is what I just said, that in the first interviews, so I wanted to convey KT that way.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I have seen. Then I wonder, is it true? [Interrupted]

VG: – The court will now break. Breivik are wearing handcuffs again at the witness stand and stop at the defenders before going out of room 250….

Original article: Dag 3: Aktor tar Breivik i å skifte forklaring – ord for ord
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Google translation [edited for clarity]:

Day 3: Breivik refuses to answer – word for word
4/18/2012

Read Wednesday’s third of prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden questioning by Anders Breivik Behring below:

VG: – Here comes Breivik into the courtroom again. He talks a bit with Lippestad now.

VG: – where the judges entered the room again, too. The court is set

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What we are left with before lunch Breivik was that you had been in London and went from there. What was the status of you when you went to that meeting? Then I’d keep you something you have said to the police in questioning [about Breivik's ordination]. What do you mean here

Breivik, you were ordained in London?

Behring Anders Breivik: – First, that so-called Serb war criminals were hunted by NATO, but by Yugoslav courts. But when I look at the events, I see that I was then.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Can you say more about who ordained you, or how this happened? [Breivik to comment]

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not want to comment on the meeting. The description in the compendium is a magnificent presentation.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When you arrived home from London, were you worried that someone would discover what had become of the time. [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.

Behring Anders Breivik: - It is not in my interest to shed light on this matter.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - Did you take any precautions?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - Began typing the compendium at once or when?

Behring Anders Breivik: - Primarily, I started to write on the compendium in 2006 or 2007.

Prosecutors: - Align yourself for a special way, or you lived it before. Breivik: For my part, I would make a lot of money, about 30 million before I was 30 years. It was my plan A.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - It is after you moved to your mother that you start this work?

Anders Breivik Behring - I lived in Tidemann Street where I could use 15,000 a month on rent, or I could be conservative in their spending and live with my mother. He had cracked my budget.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - Were you notified the Serb who was in Liberia what had happened in London? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.] – You come home 3 May to Oslo. And the 31 May transfer $ 500 to Liberia, to a man named NN. 14. June to transfer $ 2,400 to the same man from your own account. First, who was it you sent this money?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was it this man you sent to Liberia? (Breivik would not comment on it] – Yes, you’ve told it to the police. [Breivik: You know, traceable bankktransaksjonen, is a result of police work - What do you think that the police have tracked down the transaction?

Behring Anders Breivik: - When I expect that they also have made ​​questioning.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - Did you transfer from your account and to Liberia?

Behring Anders Breivik: - No, I sent money to was the ones you described as bodyguards.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - Why did you send any money to the Serb?

Behring Anders Breivik: - It had not been very intelligent to send money to him. It would be irresponsible to send to someone I do not want to be tracked up.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - If you have no problem with that dise money was tracked down, you can not say who they were then?

Behring Anders Breivik: - I would not comment on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: - When you sent the money did you use any other payment like Western Union? [I will not comment says Breivik]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You will not say what vedkomne you sent money to the money. Would you simply like us to speculate freely then? [Breivik: I do not want to shed light on the matter. I do not want to comment on it.]

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – Breivik, I just have to interject: We are now in this to justify, which you are a little concerned. Are we not built on a point here where it might be nice to explain a bit how it all hangs together.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Well, I do not contribute to the arrests, and it’s not in my interest to disclose the London trip and the trip to Liberia.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – If we stay outside information that could lead to arrests. For someone in the room there is something that does not add up. If you are in a country, what is the reason that you send money to them when they have come back in Norway?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it. [Prosecutor Holden: Is there any information in this that can lead to an arrest?] I do not want to comment on London or Liberia.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In the interview you will be asked to transfer. Interview sums up and says that “the accused transferred 40,000 to Liberia.” [Engh read on the hearing on monetary transfers to Liberia.] Do you have any comments on that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – no, that is, the correcting my comment is what’s right, but it must be added that I kept money in the shoe, which was why it was mentioned in the commentary.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Should the money go to the weapons training? [I do not wish to comment says Breivik]. – I wonder, now that you have been in Liberia and had contact with a Serb and had enough contacts to be sent as his proxy in London. Why do you maintain an alternative network then.? ] Breivik, I would not comment on it.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So there is one more thing. I saw you earlier today that made you some thoughts about not doing certain things because they could be taken, or end up on lists of the PST. What I wonder: You say that you have had contact with people online, you have met people in person in Liberia, and you have used your credit card down there? [Breivik: - I have not]

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have not. [Says he used it in the Ivory Coast] – I saw that it was within the acceptable. In the two cases, I had no other choice. I did not prefer to do it.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – Have you ever been exposed to Nigeria Fraud? [Breivik: No, never. ]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When you then come home in spring 2002, when worked in the Direct Response Center, also we have heard how you started the company after a while. Also, we have been through your policy yesterday. Then I wonder. When you come home from London, then. Why do you continue to be involved in politics?

Behring Anders Breivik: – As I already said it was a track I had started earlier. I wanted to see where it led away. I wanted to see how far up on the City Council lists I came, and I did yes.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Does that mean that when you came home from the trip had not you given up on democracy yet?

Behring Anders Breivik: – One can say that I am to some extent had faith in democracy. Even in 2009, when the general election, I hoped that the Norwegian press was starting to be less subjective. I had always hoped that the situation should change. Muslim riots in other countries in Europe were put on the lid of the Norwegian press. If the Norwegian press had ceased to drive the campaign journalism they had before, had probably not 22 July happened.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So when you come home from that meeting, so you still think that you can stay within the legal forms?

Behring Anders Breivik: – When I came back from London? [If confirmation from Engh] my goal then was to make money. – To start the NGO. There are many ways to work with politics. One is conventional politics. The second is the interest group. – I had invested in a track that had gone back in time, and I wanted to see how far this went.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In 2002, you have 75 posts on the forum FpU with political statements, and in 2003 you have 156 messages. Do you have any thoughts on why you became more involved after the London trip?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is because the investment it was, led to a city council nomination. I wanted to see the race completed, and that was why I spent some time on it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But yesterday, we visited some of the posts you had on this forum, from May or June, when you came home from London with a message of support to the United States. Do you think the Serb saw it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was in relation to the exploitation of the Middle East in terms of petrolium, it was what you thought of?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – There was a comment when you wrote that you should follow more with the United States?

Behring Anders Breivik: – My point, what I was talking about was that Europe after the Second World War has given up interests in Africa and the Middle East and think less of their interests. U.S. thinks more of his interests.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – That’s what I wonder. He Serb you have had contact with, though I was not satisfied with NATO’s involvement of his homeland. Do you think he was aware of your supporting statement to the U.S.?

Behring Anders Breivik: – If you listen to what I say, as I interpret my post, it was not a message of support to the United States, but to say that Europe should change direction to take care of their interests. [Breivik playing with his pen.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In your manifesto. Where is this interview I talked about before, who was with you. There you have a heading called “April-May 2002″, ie in the period after London. There, you write: “I will stop my involvement in the FRP and has lost faith in democracy.” Is that right?

Behring Anders Breivik: – When was that? [Engh said the headline was in April 2002 that it was "I will end my involvement in the Progress Party has lost faith in democracy"] – It’s part of what I’ve written in the compendium that is written in retrospect. In retrospect, I think that’s when I ended policy. It has been shown that the nomination process in the City Council in 2002 … [Breivik is confronted with the fact that this date is wrong Bejer Engh]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But you, before we leave this topic until you had a cover story to the authorities in Liberia and to your friend, also told you that only one of your friends knew you were going to Liberia. [Breivik: That is correct.] – Also told you that you had bought some diamond-effects?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, that’s right, I had made ​​some purchases and invested in it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – We see here that you are 18 March to buy diamonds in Church Road and buy a magnifying glass. 18. March so did you know that you were going to Liberia? [I think it probably says Breivik] 4 and 15 april call a store in London called Diamond House. What was it about these phone calls?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It’s like I said in place to support the cover. [Engh: How would these conversations strengthen cover?] – No, it is to collect information, such as when it came to UNICEF-cover, so I contacted people in UNICEF. In the same setting, it was perhaps appropriate to obtain references, etc.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But if you view the phone to any statements?

Behring Anders Breivik: – To support your cover. [Bejer Engh continues on diamond slot] – It’s the same I chose the My Real Extraction. Then it was real people in the prospectus, but in case I would have been arrested by the police, would it torpedoed a trial.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In the city said that this cover was well built, and it went well with the two that would suit you. When you came home after a while it told the story of diamonds and Liberia to other friends when you came back again. Why?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I believe it was a robber story. [Engh ask why] – I do not remember if it’s possible that my friend told it by accident. I had to support it to my friend. It may have been said by accident at a party for example.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What do you think about it to tell a lie story to your friends?

Anders Breivik Behring – I had promised not to tell why I was there, and I do not like … Thus, when one has promised anything, it is important to keep a promise. It is the most important.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But you came home 3 of May. from London. Why did you pay 12 May 86 dollars for a diamnatvekt? (…) [Engh tells of how he rang around the United States to the institutions involved in the diamond business. ]

Anders Breivik Behring – I was planning another trip down. I interpreted that the cover was not good enough. I could too little. In interviews, for example, I had to be more. There are support cover.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But you told me before lunch that the two who would look after you in Liberia barn is used. NN does not question, either before or after your journey. Why did you strengthen your cover then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is because when you go down somewhere so I could come in contact with other people that I had to have a reinforced cover for. If you have a real kredibelt cover, such as “mineral extraction”-cover, something I worked for years. Police believe that yes that was what was the cause.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But the spectroscope and the equipment that you bought, you should have it with you to Liberia?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not remember but everything related to it is to support the cover.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But how would you support the cover? How would it strengthen the cover?

Behring Anders Breivik: – If I had been arrested or towed into London or Liberia because they were on the trail of Serb, I had to have a kredibelt cover. If I had not had it, so I had been placed on a watch list as a potential helper, and I would avoid it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – So your thought on this to strengthen the cover, you should have this cover, so if you were caught with this Serb, could you say that you were in Liberia to buy diamonds?

Behring Anders Breivik: – For example, yes. Then we had the UNICEF-cover and it had not worked at all.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But how do you think it would be seen if you were taken by the government of Liberia to buy diamonds down there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I was concerned, it was to be the flag while I was down there.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – How they look at the diamond trade there. Is it legal?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It worried me. What worried me was to be monitored.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – In testimony to the police in March you say something about how you looked at the diamond trade in Liberia. [Talking about the death penalty for diamond trading in Liberia.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have no idea what the rules down there, there was an assumption. At the time, so I do not remember what I thought.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – When you get home, it was when you told it to a party for some friends. Have you told about your trip to Liberia, and your purpose of buying diamonds to others?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Perhaps one or two people.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You have been asked by police about a named (…)

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, well, I remember, he is a person whom I have discussed with some in connection with FpU forum. He said he had many who had … He seemed certain, he said he was against the far right.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But did you meet him ever physically, or did you just touch via the Internet?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was only online, it was the only one who commented a few posts. I had a conversation with him on one occasion. He was depressed and said he would end his life. Then I thought that why he says this to an unknown. What can I say to such a person. I can tell you about our trip to Liberia, or cover it. What I said was that if you leave a big hole in Africa, they’ll change your perspective on life. You’ll see your problems in a completely different light. I told him a bunch of history. I had been in Liberia.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You served him a lie do you mean? [Breivik: I had been in Liberia.] But not as diamond smuggling?

Anders Behring Breivik: – I could not tell him that I was in Liberia to meet a wanted war criminal, of course, I could not say it, but my intention was good, to get him to travel to Africa to change the perspective her. It was special to talk to someone who talked about taking his life. I wanted him to go abroad, maybe Africa, see their problems in a new light.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Thinking to cheer him up in some other way?

Anders Breivik Behring – I do not know. How is one to cheer up the sort of person who would take his life. He thought I had been in Liberia for buying diamonds. He had seen some other posts that he concluded that it was probably why I was.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But in the spring of 2002, do you have any more contact with the network that has been established, called the Knight Templar. [Breivik: I do not want to comment on it.] – Nothing?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There has been contact, but I do not want to go into it. – It’s not in my interest to elucidate it. [I understand that you want others to follow you, says Engh Bejer After the answer] – I want more people to engage in the fight to save Norway and Europe. It has nothing to do with me. I’m just a foot soldier.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But is it not important that they know what kind of network they can take part in, then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – So, KT Network is a loose network cable. It is designed that you should be an autonomous cell. It is not designed as a conventional network.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You will then have written this manifesto. Are you standing by that? [Yes I stand by it says Breivik] – [The prosecutor read the manifesto of contact between the cells]. Can you explain what this means?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I remember is that the meeting in London can not be compared with that in the Baltics. – Here fremtår as follows in the compendium as that, or is it a composite excerpt?

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – 4 No, this is a section that is straight from the manifest. – What was this meeting in the Baltics? [Breivik_: It was right-wing people who were afraid of being the flag.] – But there were 25-30 people that you write here? ([Breivik confirms] Were there people from the countries there, or you are not sure about that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I’m not sure a few of the countries. [Breivik would not comment further sessions] You can either describe that there were two sessions on two different days, or that there were two sessions on two different cells.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What were these “sessions” about? [Breivik would not comment on it] – [Read beyond the manifesto of participants in a meeting]: What is a “training course”?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is not in my interest to shed light on the meeting.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Earlier today you said that “training course” was the dissemination of revolutionary knowledge.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I would not comment on it. – It is a magnificent account of what happened. [Prosecutor: Was there a meeting?] Yes, there was a meeting.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – [Engh read further from the compendium, which Breivik states that he is impressed with the participants, and that they were not flagged by the authorities.] What do you mean by that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There’s a pompous way of describing the realities.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What was the reality? [Breivik replied that there was a meeting]. – Do you want to say anything more about how you were impressed by their screening parameter? [Breivik: No] – All those that you describe here, they were present at this meeting? [Breivik: - Yes, that's right]

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – In order to address this with the screening of the place you said you used the internet to screen people. I said that it was incorrectly used google, did you mean. What used to screeene people? – Does that mean that you were impressed and there is something beyond a simple internet search on each one? [I do not wish to comment, says Breivik] – OK, no, but this can not continue then. Thank you.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – This is you know, Breivik what I’m going on now: The police have tried to determine whether you have been in the Baltic States, also they have come to the conclusion that you have been on two trips there.

Anders Breivik Behring – I was on two trips where I created two accounts, yes.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – It is confirmed that you were on these trips. Police have found out you were in Lithuania in January 2004. When you arrived in Lithuania country half past two in the afternoon. Then went to 21 January thirty. Do you remember where you live or where you were in the 25 hours you were in the country? – Want to say something about why you were there so short? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on the two journeys.] – But while you’re there, in the 25 hours, then create an account with something called Snöras bank. Do you remember that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, I remember. No, one of the reasons was that there was a cover for that trip. And also I thought that I would need this account on both trips. – First there was cover for the meeting. Secondly, I would need the accounts as well.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Have you had any use for these accounts?

Anders Breivik Behring – I think I’ve used both. I do not think I needed one, but then I started to use it anyway after a while.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – I see in Lithuania, when you created 21 January an account Snöras bank. Here insert a check for just over $ 20,000. It was to you from an American company. Do you remember that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was in connection with the diploma company, I had forgotten. But when I had enough “cashed” into it.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh – also see that in 2004, five transfers from that account to other accounts you disposed around. But this means that if the meeting had been to Copenhagen, you would set up an account in Copenhagen?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Maybe not in Copenhagen, but I think this was before these countries joined the EU, so it was quite a special destination. Had it been to Copenhagen, it could have been different, but I think these countries outside the EU at that time. [Engh: Yes, that's right.]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – Was it luck for you that the meeting was added to these two countries?

Anders Breivik Behring – I think I probably had created an account anyway. [So you had traveled to Lithuania matter, ask Bejer Engh] – If I would have traveled to Lithuania anyway? [Prosecutor: Let's say the meeting was held in a completely different country.] – I think I needed one of those accounts, but not the other. I think I ended up using both, but I only needed one.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – The next trip that the police have uncovered, here we have your ticket-Next trip in 2004, 28 and 29. april. When you come to Estonia at half past nine and went home the next day at 15.20. There, create a new account in the morning and then put you into a check. How did you all this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What was the time did you say? [Bejer Engh wonder how Breivik may have had these "Training Course" in such a short time and Breivik is clearly uncomfortable] – I have not said that it was on that trip. I have said that it was one of those trips. – I do not want to comment on the two trips. But it goes without saying that I was able to have the meeting at one of the tours.

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – You have said you do not want to talk about Liberia, London and the Baltic States, then I wonder why you have mentioned this in your manifesto, if you do not want anyone to know about it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is a good question. I thought that part of the compendium, I would not be written. So it was a good observation. [Breivik said this Bejer Engh]

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – What was the outcome for this meeting in the Baltic region. Was there anything decided at that meeting? [Breivik: I do not want to comment on the two trips.]}

Prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh: – But what we saw on the screen here, it was that after these two trips so it was decided that all contact would cease to exist indefinitely. Is that right? [Breivik: - I would not comment on it.] – I will relate one thing you have said in interviews. [Breivik plays with the pen in the break]

VG: – Engh can not find his papers and asks Holden continue.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – It was one thing I wondered. It is affected yesterday and today. What is a cellekomandør?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There is a foot soldier who is connected with two others, as you might have a slightly superior to the role.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – There is a pompous expression that is associated with other two?

Behring Anders Breivik: – But it does not matter if I call my foot soldier or not. I am affiliated with two others in Norway, it is because I have chosen to use this term before.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – When did you become associated with the other two? [Breivik would not comment on it] – Do you remember what you told Engh in place?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have told quite a lot of Engh. – [Holden said he said he had a cell commander in London] Did I say that? When I said that?

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – Engh asked how you looked at yourself when you came home from London. When you said you looked like a cell commander?

Breivik have always said that he has contact with two other Norwegians, who is affiliated with Knights Templar. – Then I have said wrong, says Breivik.

Behring Anders Breivik: – That’s right do not. It’s not that I was a cell commander when I came home from London.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – You were not cell Commander? What did you do?

Behring Anders Breivik: – So as I have described in the compendium, I altsåå defined cell commander that a person who has the strength to bear an operation on his shoulders. If you use that definition, is that right. If you use what I said in the place, right there.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – The question is what lies in the expression cell commander. This means that one is connected with two others. If there are several definitions of this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – That which I have already communicated that I grayling described in the compendium is that it is not an existing system.

Prosecutors Svein Holden: – I understand that you stand for. But what does the term cell Commander?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Everything else is irrelevant. There is a description of the compendium, I think it is important to create a basis for further combat.

Comment from Dennis Ravndal VG: The Court will take another break until 14.15. Breivik is wearing handcuffs and led out of the auditorium….

Original article: Dag 3: Breivik nekter å svare – ord for ord

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Google translation [edited for clarity]:

Day 3: Breivik respects the death penalty – word for word
4/18/2012

Read Wednesday’s fourth and final part of prosecutors Inga Bejer Engh and Svein Holden questioning by Anders Breivik Behring below:

VG: – Now, Breivik into the courtroom. He speaks with his defense, Geir Lippestad. – All judges are in place, and the court has been set. – Breivik sits in the witness box and get the handcuffs taken off your hands.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – The court is set. [Breivik goes to the witness stand] Prosecutors have many questions left now? [The prosecutor says no]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Breivik, then we are almost done with this part here, but I was wondering if you could say something about the Knights Templar network is today. What kind of organization or network is it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is intended to be for the nationalists and Christians in Europe. When it comes to militants as it is meant to be a version of Al-Qaeda.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Why al-Qadi? Is there any role model?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Al-Qaida is the most successful revolutionary organization for Muslims. – What KT is today, I do not know, I do not know.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But you have several times been on al-Qaeda, you think you have something to learn from them?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Not me. I have nothing to learn from them, but I think that all militant nationalists in Europe have much to learn from al-Qaeda.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – What is it with al-Qaeda as well?

Behring Anders Breivik: – fight or ideologue characterizes al-Qaeda, in that they use extremely brutal methods to influence samfunnsutvilkingen, especially in the Arab world. To a large extent, they have had success. We want to make a European version.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Is it right summarized that they are exemplary, not what they want, but in how they proceed, is that correct?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What is …. if I can explain it another way: I and other militant nationalists have had three different ideologies. The first is the history of Lionheart and some other war heroes. [Certify that we are talking about Richard Lionheart] – And then there are the ideological role models and contributors. Anyone who contributes to the ideology. Finally, the methodological role models. If one is to consider the militant nationalists in Europe has made it pretty pathetic that they have done today. Therefore, one must go to another page to find someone else because there are some on the left that is worth drawing inspiration from. Although we are anti-Islamists.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Several times today you talked about martyrdom. What do you mean, and why do you mention that word?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Well, if we are comparing two warriors, one that is willing to die for a cause, and another, for example, a Red Army faction, who do not believe in any afterlife, they were very afraid to die. That is what is special about Islamic militants that they believe in it. For our part, I think many of us in an afterlife.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Us? Who us? You must specify a bit. – But you must specify what you’re talking about. Are you talking about the KT network or in general about other nationalists?

Behring Anders Breivik: – now I talk in general about all anaonalister (?) In Europe. There are many who are not Christians. National Socialists are not Christians, but many are right to say. If we glorify martyrdom, going to be willing to sacrifice their lives for a cause, it is ten times as potent as the activists who fear death.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – And you, how you come into the picture there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I looked at 22 July as a so-called suicide attack. I did not expect to survive the day.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – If you had died Utøya. Had you been as a martyr?

Behring Anders Breivik: – If I die today, many people look at me as a martyr. But for others they have higher requirements to see some as a martyr.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But how do you think that the Church should look at the actions that you have exercised?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I think we should stick to the issue instead of talking about the church … [Interrupted by Engh]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – How do you think the church looks at this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In order to illustrate the church today, I get a refaranse from the old days. Before the Reformation there was a militant church. The Pope was the top militant leader in Europe. I want a militant church, which is more prominent than we have today. Unfortunately, the church we have today a part of the problem itself.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But do you want the Catholic Church will recognize your and any other actions?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is never going to happen as long as the present church is governed by pacifists.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But would you in the long run? [Breivik says he wants to run a more militant church that justifies the defenses] – Have you formed any thoughts you have received a pardon?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It depends on what kind of vision you have in Christianity. If you are a militant Christian, and in a way was I a militant Christian, it is clearly open for self-defense is legitimate, and to help stop Muslim immigration to Europe, it is self-defense. [Engh: - Is that what happens now?] – No, that is what is happening now, is a de-Christianization of Europe and Norway. I believe that Christian leaders in Norway and the rest of Europe should support the militant nationalists who are fighting against the de-Christianization of Europe. – They want their support. But they support us.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Because you are trying to stop the de-Christianization of Europe, and since then the church should have supported you and gave you if not praise, the recognition for it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – As long as the church in Europe is led by pacifist leaders like much of the blame for the de-Christianization of Europe.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – A number of militant nationalists? – Is there someone from your network? [Yes, Breivik answer to that question].

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – How do you state that people who have acted like you should get to church? If you could create a world now, how do you want the church to look at you and your brothers?

Behring Anders Breivik: – As I said, those who are fighting for Christianity, the church and the de-Christianization of Norway and Europe, we want the Christian leaders that will help in the fight and recognize those who sacrifice themselves for Christianity and the church.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But how could such a recognition be?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It’s … I have not done me so many thoughts about it. It is unrealistic. It is that leadership in Saudi Arabia. They are keen to have a good relationship with other countries.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But what have you written?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I have written is that church leaders in Norway and Europe should help to stop the de-Christianization and thus help to support the people, both militant and political solutions through trying to stop the de-Christianization of Europe.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But you also have in your compendium said anything about what status you should have been in the church. Can you say more about this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No it’s nothing more to say about it than what I said now. But as for what happened and the outcome of this case there are only two fair outcome of this case. One is that there is an acquittal or the death penalty. As I see it is irrational. It’s not a real alternative but follow the logic of it is.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – What do you think if Norway had introduced the death penalty now after this?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It had been the right thing in many ways. If one is to consider a case like this here, so there are only two published. The unrealistic, which is an acquittal, and the more realistic, which is the death penalty. I’m looking at 21 years in prison as a pathetic sentence.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But do you wish we were condemned to death? Or do not we, but the court.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not want it but I had respected the decision. There are two outcomes I respect. It is capital punishment or acquittal. 21 years in prison is ridiculous. – Because of the shame that Indrebø was fired, he seems to support the death penalty.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But you think that if we as a society now doubles the penalties, what do you think about it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It had earned my business. It had proved that Norway had thrown his principles out the window far, and that as a building society we want to fight.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – undermine the rule of law is that what you think of when or what? [Breivik answer yes to this]. – What do you think about the reactions that have been after the media ban was lifted? Have you got what you wanted?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There is no question about what I want. It’s not about me. It’s about the future of Norway’s and Europe’s future. I’m just a tool for a revolution. This case is neither the government quarter, Utøya or me, it’s about the future of Norway’s and Europe’s future.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – How does it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – This is the most important issue in Europe now. For the first time in 12,000 years we are going to be deconstructed. WE deconstruct our own culture.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Have you been looking forward to this trial? – But what you say, you do not believe me and you want to take me in a lie, and …

Anders Breivik Behring – I respect that you have a strategy, like that, I have an interest.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Here’s your chance to tell us and convince us this is real Breivik.

Behring Anders Breivik: – What is it that should not be real? It is one thing, the police believe that because they have failed to arrest anyone. It is not in my interest to cause some apprehension. The fact that you have chosen not to call in more among the 8,000 I sent out your compendium. – Because one of the is one of those I have referred to, and I think it’s very special that you have not done more.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – One of those you have referred to when? One of the KT network has to be sent to the compendium? – It is in the KT network that you have sent to the compendium. [Yes I have tried says Breivik] – In the first interrogation of Utøya you said [quote about war crimes tribunal] What do you mean by war crimes tribunal?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, it’s because we look at the systematic deconstruction of our culture as a war crime against our people, which is the biggest crime that has happened to our people of 12,000 years.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But you are a court?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In the settings you put it in now so it will sound absurd not to describe it as a court

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – So the court is wrong?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In principle, we are the more so, in other words …

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But how you act as a court of law?

Behring Anders Breivik: – We are a network of militant nationalists.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – judge you any? A court judge. Judge KT Network anyone?

Behring Anders Breivik: – We represent the indigenous peoples of Europe, and we act on behalf of them. We consider the goals that we think are legitimate goals, and we act. And in that one can use pompous rhetoric.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – But you will not answer my question now, Breivik? You will not answer if you are a court?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Now you try to ridicule here. We are a network of militant nationalists. WE are not more or less.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – Breivik, Inga Engh read up on this categorization A, B and C offenders you call them. Is this section a proposal from you or is it something you have agreed on the network?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There is a suggestion from me. Previously it has been focusing on individuals or organizations, but considering that many militant nationalists have a long perspective on this conflict, it is appropriate to establish a better foundation, and it is a part of it.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – So it is that is you who have suggested who is allowed to kill and not kill.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, that since 2 World War II, where the first militant nationalists began to trade in Europe, is this system which is used by other movements.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – What is the status today. And when you say that there are two other cells in Norway and they will not talk about. Are there any more cells in Europe?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have not idea of what KT network is today.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Only thing you understand is that there are two in Norway?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I connected a total of six people. [You have said that there are two people in Norway? Ask Bejer Engh] Yes it is. [Breivik is further confronted with what he has said to the policeman at Havard Gåsbakk Utøya. - I think I remember that I said that I am one of three in Norway and the other two will strike soon. I said, if I remember correctly, it was what I said.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: - Yes, well, now there is a report, he comes and witnesses, so we can see he has to say then.

Behring Anders Breivik: - I know what he claims. He claims that I should have said that I did ... I was the one who conducted Utøya, and that there was another who conducted the government quarter. But it is wrong. - The only thing I have said is that I'm one of the three.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: - In your interview on Utøya say [referring to the introduction of capital punishment and waterboarding]. Were the two other cells in the process of killing the 300 other cells?

Behring Anders Breivik: – To talk about what you’re referring to now. I was very surprised to survive the day, and I had actually put some plans on. I saw it as a 5% percent likely that I would survive the ministries, it’s one of the most heavily guarded buildings. But I survived not only that, but also Utøya.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – [Breivik says he should not conveyed it] Why you should not conveyed it? [Breivik says it sends the wrong signals.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – If two others had carried out two separate actions or in the course of two years will result in the deaths of 300 people. [Breivik answer this question it is true from Bejer Engh]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Can we genuinely fear Thurs the 2nd cells now? Every day, they can turn to in Oslo, is that what you mean? [Breivik: Yes.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – As to the claim, I should not have been included. Basically, as it would have been a great victory to have a sovereign nation to break its legal principles, but it was presented in a very unprofessional manner, so I told the police that I regretted that I came up with the proposals.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – If you do not stand for them, why did you say that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Under the circumstances, they were presented in an unprofessional manner and I had no right to promote them. [Straight? Ask Bejer Engh] – So what we are linked to, are two other cells. If they had been fulfilled … [Interrupted] [Engh: Who can possibly give you such a right?]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – So you would have never given the other two, even if we had introduced the death penalty?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What was the thought was that if it was the knowledge that it would never happen, I passed on it. But it was unprofessional, and I apologize.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – In the same interview said that: the accused refers constantly to “we” and accused says there are 80 cells in Europe and in Norway there are three cells. Here you say 80 cells in Europe?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Where did you get the quote from?

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – There I read from an interrogation. It was taken on the Oslo police, on Saturday 23 July, the day after.

Behring Anders Breivik: – If you had taken that which was written just before and after this quote, it had emerged that I had no view.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – In your manifesto you come with assumptions about how many there are in Europe.

Behring Anders Breivik: – You must first specify what you specifically referring to. Do you think militant nationalists, or KT-members? [Prosecutor: KT members] – The only thing I’ve written about in the compendium, is a rough estimate of how many militant nationalists there are in Europe.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – We can see ….. the manifesto on page 983 Here’s your manifesto. Here is an overview of the organization. [Describe facts about the organization, how many members (15-80)]

Behring Anders Breivik: – Fifteen is an estimate. The starting point is that it is the number that we talked about earlier. Thirteen total plus two that are tilknyuttet Norway. Beyond that I do not know.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – 15-80 is a finger in the air or what?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The assumption was that there were more than 15 [Engh: - But where do you get that number from?] I have referred to. It is the thirteen I have written plus two other

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Now, are you talking about the list from London? [Yes confirms Breivik] – Other in London meeting may have contributed in their respective countries? [Breivik: - Yes.] Let’s see. There is a lot of questioning, so it takes some time. [Breivik: - Yes, I'm used to it.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – [There is much questioning, says Engh] It’s okay. I’m used to [Breivik smiles].

prosecutor Svein Holden: – The number 80, how did you come up to the number 80? 80 then? [There is an assumption based on what others may have contributed.]

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is only an estimate. [Prosecutor: What do you build the estimate of?] I do not remember what the reason was the time I wrote it. But it is only an estimate.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – You have estimated it at another time and not just when you wrote it, but in questioning 23 July: “We are very much in Europe, a maximum of 80″

Behring Anders Breivik: – For it is there exactly what I mean. Estimates range from 15-80. I do not simply, the only thing we know, is that in any case is fifteen individuals.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – Is there a reason for the number 80?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There are 15 individuals and the assumption is that there are more than 15 individuals. I have talked some about the contact after the London meeting. But will not say anything more about it.

prosecutor Svein Holden: – We just wonder … What is the reason you estimate it to 80? [Breivik: I have replied. I can not answer any more about it now.]

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Breivik, one last thing. Use of titles. Now we have heard the call where you call in from Utøya. You call yourself commander, Breivik, but thinks it might be more correct to call you foot soldier.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I understand that it’s interesting to get caught up in uniforms and titles. But it is not true at all.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Why do you use it if it is not important? Could not you just say, ‘Anders Breivik Behring “on Utøya? Why did you say Commander?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have told many times, and I may well say one more time. When you are in an organization or is connected to a network and want to contribute to a development in an org that will grow and attract others, then you have to sell a message. And when you want to sell that message, so you can use a pompous presentation. But it is not relevant, because I am a militant nationalist, and I have completed an action, that is what is relevant. What you are doing now, ridicule, and it is not relevant. – But I tell you what the thinking behind this was. There is nothing more to attribute.

Prosecutors: – You say that you are trying to sell something and is a glossy picture. But when you call in to police on Utøya why are you interested in selling yourself then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is because I am only one of many militant nasjonalitser in Norway and Europe. It is important for me to convey that I am not a paid attention. If our demands are met, this will happen again and again.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Was it important for you to convey that you were not alone?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is important to communicate it. Using a title like “cell commander”, insinuating that you are not alone.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – Is it a lie when you say you are a commander? – But then you were imprisoned in November 2010. Now I noticed the judge’s questions that you said you were a Knight Chief Justice. Why did you do that?

Anders Breivik Behring – I preferred the better when you accused me as a child. [Laughter in the audience. Engh: Yes, it's over it now]

defender Geir Lippestad: – I have a question and objection. We have received many questions about why he calls himself Commander and he has tried to answer it. I do not see the purpose of asking more questions about it. It is also almost over and it is there?

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – The answer is that it is almost over. – You said during his imprisonment, that you were a knight, Chief Justice of the Knights Templar Europe. Why did you do that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is described in the compendium. It was right to stand firm on that. The decision turned out to be wrong on my part.

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – In this interview you’ll see on page three that he explained that he is the supreme leader of the Knights Templar in Norway, but if he was recognized by his German, Spanish Greek [Engh lists several countries here now] .

prosecutor Inga Bejer Engh: – What do you mean by grandmaster knight?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Obviously, I pulled the pompous to the extreme, and it was something I said but I should not say.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – When it comes to the compendium, Engh, it begins as presented in the compendium of section twelve. Could we in the morning had submitted it to come in book three.

defender Geir Lippestad: – Thank you then, we have some questions. Then begin defending Vibeke Hein berries.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Breivik, I want a little back to your communication forms. You’ve been on it a little earlier, we start with Facebook, where you say you had 8000 friends and styles you wonder why not more of these accounts have been identified. Can you say more about that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have 8000 Facebook contacts. I have communicated to the police that I was concerned they would be able to locate these people, for it was probably the best lead-one they could get. But it has been shown that they did not follow up these leads late.

defender Vibeke Hein consequences: – It is facebook …

Behring Anders Breivik: – That is why they have not decided.

defender Vibeke Hein consequences: – It is breivik facebook, then I will hear you a little about the use of epostkontier. WE will come back to it during a batch called “under investigation”. However, as other cells in the KT network has been a theme today. Can you tell us about your estimate of how many epostkontier you’ve had?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not know, maybe 20

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – We received Mr. recently presented a report stating that there were 31 e-mail accounts. Do you use email a lot?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes I use email a lot, yes.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – Could it be a form of communication in the network?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I will not tell you how to communicate, but what is essential, and which I have admitted in the compendium, is the use of online communication is that it masks the IP address of their For example, through tools such as “Anonymizer”.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – We have submitted a report stating that you had 31 e-postkontier. Do you use email a lot?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, I would not tell you how to communicate but it is essential to hide their IP address.

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – What do you think of what has been discovered, about the communication that has been done?

Anders Breivik Behring – I’m not quite sure what that is obtained. Maybe you can tell about it?

defender Vibeke Hein Bæra: – We will come back to the block ettrerforskning. When I tell you that only ten of these e-mails are identified. What do you think about it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Only ten of the thirty? [Breivik wonder that the figure is so low] I thought they at least have identified at least twenty.

defender Geir Lippestad: – You have several times today said that the presentation was a glossy picture – both what was described in the manifesto and what you have said in recent interviews. I am keen to find out about when you found out that this was a glossy picture?

Behring Anders Breivik: – When I decided to go for a magnificent presentation? [No, says Lippestad but when you realized that your presentation was pompous] – It has been all the time.

defender Geir Lippestad: – If we look at the use of the word “glossy picture”: Can you tell us a little bit more about what you mean by the word “glossy picture”?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, well … It goes on to convey something in a pompous manner. There is no better way to describe it.

defender Geir Lippestad: – Can you remember what you said under questioning from 02.11.2011. Can you remember what you said about the Knights Templar and the organization of KT at the time.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, I can not remember.

defender Geir Lippestad: – Then I read up on it from the interrogation, from 2 november. [Lippestad read that Breivik said that KT in practice is being established.] What do you mean when you say that “in practice is being established”?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, you can probably see the same thing, if you look at al-Qaeda before 9/11, one can say that they were being established. They were established around the 9/11. If you had to work to build the foundation for such a great revolutionary movement that aims to collect much of the right wing in Europe, it is a work that takes a long time. It is happening now is just the beginning, so I will look at it as an organization being established.

defender Geir Lippestad: – The fact that this is a glossy picture you have described as early as 18/10/2011. Can you remember when the first trial expert report came?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There were 28 november. [Lippestad: Almost 29 november. Can you remember when you had media bans extended.] – It was probably 15 or 12 maybe? [Lippestad: - Yes, that's just right. December. So after an expert report.]

defender Geir Lippestad: – You said earlier that you were surprised when the first explanation came. That you could tone it down a little [the pompous presentation], but you said before the first report came? – Organisation, that concept. What do you mean by the term?

Behring Anders Breivik: – A conventional organization consists of a clear hierarki.På many ways can one say that a revolution distinctive network, a loose network management, so-called “open source networks,” is not a conventional organization. In the feature article I wrote to ABC, VG and Dagbladet, it was taken out of context. It was a bit casual written. What I meant to say is that it is not a conventional organization.

defender Geir Lippestad: – It is based on the prosecutor’s questions, important to clarify around this organization exists or not. Therefore, your definition of an organization is important. Can you remember what you said in the interview 18 October when you would describe your organization? [Breivik do not remember.] – It is important. “Persons charged are sure that the organization KT is not the same after 22/7. Persons charged explains that he does not have an overview of how the situation is today. He has only an overview of the buildings that are Knights Templar. “

defender Geir Lippestad: – It is not just an organization but an ideology being established. It may take ten to twenty years before it is under fixed limits [Lippestad refers Breivik's interrogation] Can you tell us more about this? But what did you mean about what you said in October?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, well, the network was a network prior to 22 July and there is a network now. There are people who plan the operation now. But I do not have any details of it. I had a rough idea before 22 July. The situation in Europe today, it is impossible to form a large cell or organization, because it is made impossible by the intelligence agencies.

Behring Anders Breivik: – And the only option, it is self-run and independent cells, and basically with the KT-network is to be an open source network, the objective of open and self-propelled cells.

defender Geir Lippestad: – Breivik, it means what you say and what I’ve read, from October 2011, that you understood at the time that you had expressed your pompous?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, absolutely.

defender Geir Lippestad: – You have been asked some questions that you have had difficulties to answer, and there will be evidence of whether this is true or not. Have you told the truth about everything in the interrogations of the police, or have you intentionally left out anything, from day one?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I think that everything I have been told is correct, I can not remember that there is something not right, but if I wanted to explain to me, I have told about it, but all I has said is correct.

defender Geir Lippestad: – So all you have said, that’s right – but it’s something that you’ve left out?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, I did not want to explain to me about some things.

defender Geir Lippestad: – Can you remember having explained in percentages how much you’ve wanted to tell the truth about and how much you have wanted to tell the truth about?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I have communicated to the police is that in principle can provide 90% of the information. I made a deal with the police for action, and that was that I could pass 98% of the information, with the assumption that I am not saying the remaining 2%. When I said that I would not disclose information that could lead to an arrest. – And in the worst case I will do everything I can to prevent everything I can that there is an arrest. I have conveyed to the police.

defender Geir Lippestad: – It is true that you want to explain about 98 percent of what you know. You said that already in the first interrogation on 23 July. What I wonder. You’ve talked about that you want to sell a message, and through these two days you said that you have been selling earlier and a good negotiator. What are the characteristics of a good dealer?

Anders Breivik Behring – He must have something to negotiate about. I do not know if that’s what you refer to?

defender Geir Lippestad: – Do you, now I ask directly, express yourself in such a way with the police, trying to get a negotiating position?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have completely kjlart wanted to get a negotiating position with respect to 98 percent of the info I put on.

defender Geir Lippestad: – What were you negotiating?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I wanted to negotiate all information, except information that may lead to an arrest.

defender Geir Lippestad: – But to get into a negotiating position, 23 July, what did you feel that you had to do then to be attractive to a negotiation?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have explained that I am willing to provide 98 percent of the information, except as may lead to an arrest of the others. The police have accepted.

defender Geir Lippestad: – But it was important for you … We’ve heard you referred to the network with the number of people and you say you told that you gave a magnificent presentation. Was it important for you to talk about the KT network to get in better negotiating position with the police.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, it was not. Everything I have said in the police interrogation votes. That I chose a pompous presentation was the most that I wanted to sell it as a complete diet consisted of.

defender Geir Lippestad: – But can you remember what you were especially interested in the first interrogation, which was taken at the Police Station 23 July. What was it you wanted to talk to the police then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I think that when you made ​​the agreement on your mind? [Get confirmation from Lippestad] No, I was keen to make an appointment with the police.

defender Geir Lippestad: – I can see from your statement. [Lippestad refers to the interview now where Breivik has two requirements list] Do you remember what the requirements were?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, I remember. You can read up.

defender Geir Lippestad: – There was that it would be PC in the cell with the word processor Word and the printer. It may not contain the open Internet, but with access to Wikipedia. That was step 1

Behring Anders Breivik: – Step two was the use of the Knights Templar uniform in court. Point three: open trial with a free press, paragraph four (…)

defender Geir Lippestad: – It was a requirement you asked the police 23 July 2011. How would you get in position to negotiate the police of unusual requirements at that time? What did you do to get advance payment position?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In principle, I had to tell all. – I had to be a bit pompous because I wanted to sell a message, not because of that agreement. – Basically, we made a deal and I fulfilled my part of it. I understand that it is difficult for the police. I expected that I would get a PC.

defender Geir Lippestad: – But you got the PC? [Breivik confirms it] – We are happy there.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Has assistance attorneys any questions?

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – You have talked a lot with the prosecutor about this with Christianity. Is there a Christian Europe?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes that’s right in principle what you say.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – Your own relationship to Christianity, you mentioned yesterday that you have a relationship with the Catholic Church. What relationship do you have yourself to Christianity?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Well, I’m a militant Christian and not particularly religious. But I’m a bit religious. To prevent the de-Christianization of Europe is important, but it’s not that we want a theocracy. – We want a Christian heritage, Christian teaching in schools and Christian framework in Europe. We are not Christian fundamentalists. It is not the KT network is.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – But you then? You confess to the Christian faith? Do you believe in the resurrection?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I am a Christian, I believe in God. I am a bit religious, but not particularly religious.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – What do you mean when you say you are a little religious?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I believe in God and I believe in an afterlife. Beyond that, I have no comment on that.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – But what’s important to be a Christian and be a Christian country?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There was an evaluation from China a few years ago, they made ​​an overview of why Europe was so successful, and they concluded that Christian. Battle of Vienna in 1683 stopped the invasion from the Ottoman Empire. – And I want to preserve the Christian heritage of Europe.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – It is not faith that is important then?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not work for theocratic goals, no, that’s right.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – But you were talking about some self-study, you have done theological studies under it? Where was it learned about religion?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It was the time it was the Christian teaching. Before it was abolished by the Labour Party.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – So, you mentioned something about the rape of your sisters and the piece. Who do you consider to be your sisters in this context?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Basically, there are all those I see as my extended famliie. An ethnic group is an extended family. In addition, I support all ages who support us, even if they are not ethnic Norwegian. It differs from the national conservative nationalists. I consider those who are not etinsk Norwegian, so long as they support us. – While they support us and our interests, they need not only be ethnic Norwegian.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – But this term “extended family”, you can define it? Was that what you did now?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The nation state in Europe is based on ethnic states and ethnic families. In that context, it is what I referred to earlier. It is not only ethnic groups but also others who support the direction that I support.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – What defines you as an ethnic group?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I define as an ethnic group? [Hallgren: What do you belong?] I belong to the Norwegians. [Hallgren: - But what about the Swedes, then?] – Swedes are an ethnic group, it’s the same with Sami. Samer is not ethnic Norwegians, they are Sami.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – How do you see as the Sami?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I recognize the Sami’s rights, and they should be indigenous ethnic Norwegians. I have nothing against Sami. I recognize them as a urfolkd OPG they should recognize us as an indigenous people.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – And can Sami live in Norway, is that right?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Sami living in Lapland. And then there are many Sami who live in Oslo, of course. – I have not taken a position on it.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – Have you traveled extensively in Norway itself?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have traveled extensively in Norway, yes. I’ve been all over Norway with the exception of Bergen. Everything from cod municipality, to Oslo, or in other words the South Coast. I’ve been all over Norway, with the exception of Finnmark and Bergen.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – But this has been in the holiday context. With family and friends?

Behring Anders Breivik: – With family and friends.

Lawyer Siv Hallgren: – What relationship do you have to Oslo?

Behring Anders Breivik: – My grandmother comes from Fagerborg, and the rest of the family coming from other parts of Norway.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – We want to give out the compendium and the beginning of book three. So we can get it on the screen [It discusses how to organize femvisningen]

defender Geir Lippestad: – We are going to be very concerned now about bistandsavokater should help the prosecutor. Should we have another round of Knights Templar. We will respond immediately to it.

VG: – The judge, defense counsel and assistance attorneys are discussing what kind of questions counsel is allowed to stand. Defense is critical to further questions about the Knights Templar.

VG: – Aid lawyer is allowed to start asking questions, the court shall determine the way they are relevant enough. Lawyer Yvonne Larsen Mette go at once with this.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – When I start up. Breivik, what we are concerned about the Knights Templar and how you describe this organization. Can you describe for themselves what kind of organization this is.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is distributed now, it’s really just a clause that enables the distribution of the compendium without criminal liability.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – And that was what I was thinking of. Legal disclaimer, what does it mean in Norwegian?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is a legal clause that allows the distribution of the compendium without criminal liability. If it had been, had it not been possible to distribute it.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Why was there a point of such a legal disclaimer?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The essence of making it was to distribute it. Had I not done that it would complicated process and deliver the fictional description. It is to relieve people for criminal liability.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – [quoting from the manifesto]: Which organization reviews you there?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Now, are you talking about the legal clause. It facilitates the distribution of the compendium without criminal liability. It is of course because it contains a bomb recipe and countless violence and incitement clause nullifiserer it.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Okay, but if we go a little further down the [describe the sentence]. How should the court consider this? How do you describe Knights Templar?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In this legal klauseulen I do. That is the whole meaning. The clause enables the distribution of the film without criminal liability. Without this it would be a criminal offense to convey the film.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – But yesterday, as you mentioned something about four sweaty men in a basement. Is that where you are, or what? – Yes, that was to underpin the word “pompous”, I was not talking about reality. – If there had been a reality with the Knights Templar. It is long since you wrote it, it is strange to you that no one else has done it and proved that the Knights Templar.

Behring Anders Breivik: – Are you sure there are others who have campaigned for 22 July?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have limited access to the Internet and the media, so I do not know.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Are you sure there are others who have campaigned?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I know that others have campaigned. But I have not been verified whether it is from KT. For instance in Italy, but that said not been verified if they are part of KT.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – You use the term, we can also say I am. Who else has inspired you to action 22 July?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Inspiration on which area? Methodological or ideological?

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – When I think of the area killing of youth and adults. Who has inspired you at that point?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Are you talking about the methodology or ideology? [Larsen asks him to just answer the question] When it comes to methodology, it is al-Qaeda it is their methodology. When it comes to ideology, it is probably all, what can we say [Breivik think long here], all the authors who support violence.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Larsen, we can not repeat the question asked earlier. Do you want to ask about anything that is not mentioned before?

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – I’m past the Knights Templar now. You said initially yesterday, Breivik, that you performed these actions to preserve our culture and our democracy, is that right?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is too narrow to use that definition. It is much more than that, and it is important to emphasize all aspects. It is therefore the initial presentation was as far as it was.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Are there any aspects of our Norwegian culture that supports the attacks on 22 July?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Absolutely. [Larsen: What then?] You are talking about the Norwegian principles today. [Larsen: And our culture that you want to protect? .] – It’s a good question. You could say that honor codecs for Norway was also deconstructed by the AP after the 2nd World War II. You can say that most men in Norway are feminized and lacking backbone. And have no code of honor. So it’s really old, we are trying to recover

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – But is there anything that separates you from a terrorist in the al-Qaeda network?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The difference is that I fought for primarily Norwegian indigenous peoples’ rights and also Europe. – I do not want to invade other countries and people like me are isolationists, while al Qaeda is expansive.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – But Breivik, what have you really accomplished? Is it so that the organization which you belong, this has been successful, Breivik, or is it failed, this fight against the multiculturalists?

Behring Anders Breivik: – One must first try to take a holistic about it. Of course it is tragic that you have to carry something so tragic to be heard in a society and help to change safmunnet. I think it is tragic that one is forced out of democracy and are censored and ridiculed. On the one hand I think it’s terrible that something be done, on the other hand, I see that it is necessary. You have to look at motives. – One is to provoke a witch hunt for moderate conservative culture. It was true. Shortly afterwards it was a witch hunt in several countries. It will contribute to increased polarization and to more censorship and thus more radikalisiering. It is indeed a better result than expected. – In addition, it went on to distribute the compendium.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – What do you know, now you have the full access to the media, what have you achieved? Give one example of that.

Behring Anders Breivik: – I can well illustrate. After 9/11 were Islamic militants were appalled. After a year, raised the threshold for what was acceptable. People that I want conflict early before we get a minotritet in their own country and Europe. We believe that our only hope is to create conflict before we lose the majority. – And so I set it as appropriate. But I think it’s sad that it’s the only way conservative culture has to influence society.

Lawyer Yvonne Mette Larsen: – Thank you, when I finished.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – A question? Breivik, you have expressed a strong hatred of the Labour Party. When was that you developed it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In a way, I will not say I hate them. I am willing to forgive them, if they had renounced their party politics. My responsibility was to act, nothing else.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – It is your analysis that leads to action 22 July?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No it is only a very small caricature of an analysis. What can one say, I will not use the word hate. But you can say rage. When my eyes caught sight of that reality did not match what you saw in the media.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Would you like to elaborate on it?Behring Anders Breivik: – With very few exceptions, it has been the AP’s leading party in Norway by 2 World War II. They have had the support of 30-60% after 2 World War I, they represent the governing power. – It takes almost half an hour to ask about it and I’m very tired now.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – You have given an overview of the analysis now? [Absolutely not says Breivik] – We can go further on it later if necessary. You mentioned in your introduction, human rights as a basis for your actions. Can you elaborate on the human rights basis to build on?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The starting point is the universal human rights principle that one should allow for self-defense. An ethnic group that experiences deconstruction has the right to self-defense. It is not so controversial.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Knights Templar are a group that consists of three one-man cells. Can the rebel group is recognized in international law?

Behring Anders Breivik: – You could say that nationalists or militant nationalists in Europe has not had any sovereign nation since World War 2, after it has been individuals and groups who have continued the fight against kommismen.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – But you have international legal basis for what you do?

Behring Anders Breivik: – They do not recognize those individuals who struggle. That we understand.

VG: – Frode Elgesem wonder if Breivik has an argument to be able to do what he did on 22 July?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The springs of human rights. I’ve written a lot about it in the compendium. It applies a word not used very often in Norwegian: “cultural Genocide.” I have written little about it in the compendium.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – We have been in on it earlier today that KT is a war crimes tribunal, in each case it is expressed in the compendium. Is it correct to say that you had handed down death sentences as you did on Utøya?

Behring Anders Breivik: – The principle is what a pompous way of describing that you shoot Communists.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – How does it themselves to human rights?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Exit point for our struggle is that we want to prevent our ethnic group and culture being deconstructed. We have a legitimate right.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – In the period from 2006. Can you say that there are others that have inspired you than those you met in London in 2002?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not want to encourage more people fall into that group being hunted.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Now I think of open sources. Fjordman and so on, at the time you’re in and read it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What I can say is that it is ridiculous to conduct a witch hunt for a moderately violent anti democrat Fjordman who does not even support the violence, which I’ve used a couple of essays. He even supports democracy.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – There is no question of a witch hunt here, Breivik, it’s just a matter of what you were inspired by this period?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is also quite a few others. I started when I was eighteen, maybe when I was fifteen.

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – The hatred that I call it, grew it out in the period to 2006? Or is it later? – Do you read anything about ideology in this period?

Behring Anders Breivik: – That is the direction that I represent, many advocates. [Assistance Attorney: But you read something? What?] – Among other authors listed in the compendium. [Elgesem: - When did you mean?]

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Can you name any writers you read at that time?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I remember reading at the time, Ayn Rand, including kulturkonservartive writers, I have listed some of the compendium that I have gone through.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – If the experts questions? [No says the experts]

Lawyer Frode Elgesem: – Just one last question. You claim that there are two cells. Are the cells you connect with in this period?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I do not comment on it.

Lay judge Ernst Henning Eielsen: – (…) How to set this in a historical context?

Behring Anders Breivik: – What they are afraid of today, it is that it should pop up a new Hitler. It is legitimized, that’s how they legitimize censorship, etc.

Lay judge Ernst Henning Eielsen: – You said earlier that you are not a national socialist. If Adolf Hitler had won, what do you think about it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I am an anti-Nazi.

Lay judge Ernst Henning Eielsen: – What you have presented here overlaps to a great extent?

Behring Anders Breivik: – If you call Japan and South Korea, a national socialist nation, then you can call me that. But they are not. They have many cultural conservative principles, but it has nothing to do with being a national socialist to do. The cornerstone of National Socialism’s expansionism, I’m isolationists. – National Socialism is antikristen.Jeg is prokristen. We differentiate ourselves in many areas. Among other things, in their view of Jews.

Judge: – You take away from National Socialism? [Yes, I do says Breivik]

Lay judge Ernst Henning Eielsen: – A question to: The Islamists are against you. How do you interpret this to multiculturalism?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have a more liberal view of ethnicity and biology than a national socialist. A national socialist means that Norway is the Norwegians. I can tolerate a 0.2% migration. I am willing to accept a small percentage, but now we are quite a minority. It is unacceptable.

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, absolutely not. A dilution and a takeover, it is important to distinguish between. 2 percent that is not etinisk Norwegian had been acceptable for me. But not if you use Norway as a dumping ground for the second and third world as it is today.

Judge Arne Lyng: – [Judge Heather takes the floor.] There are some concepts you have used many times as I want you to clarify for me. Militant nationalist, what do you mean?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is a nationalist who is militant. – I can explain it another way. There are three revolutionary directions. [Breivik lists the three]

Judge Arne Lyng: – What makes a nationalist militant?

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is that he is either an activist himself, or that he sympathizes with militant nationalism.

Judge Arne Lyng: – When the nationalist is the kind of actions aiming to?

Behring Anders Breivik: – There is talk of armed resistance. – So it’s really a question of definition. Some would say that only those trades, while others will say that there are also those who sympathize.

Judge Arne Lyng: – Ultra-Nationalist, how you define it?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Thus, a common nationalist. A country where there existed ultra-nationalists, are meaningless. When there is no difference between ultra-nationalists and nationalists (…)

VG: – Breivik compares with Fjordman and says the two are very different.

Judge Arne Lyng: – But the ultra-nation list, more to the right than nationalist, or ultra-nationalist militant? I ask for your definition.

Behring Anders Breivik: – It is a question of definition. [Heather - I ask for yours.] An ultra-nationalist nødvendigivis do not be violent. It is an expression that is also called ultra-conservative. They need not be violent. It is an extension of it. I am also ultra conservative in many ways. It is important to separate the phrases in many ways.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – As I have just a question of what was on the screen. You said that there was a legal commitment. Can you explain what you meant by that?

Behring Anders Breivik: – In the first place, so when I distributed the compendium should I send detil 8,000 people. Most of the very right-wing, so I feared that people would get an overview of what was the content. Then it is obvious that they feared the consequences to distribute it. – To minimize that possibility seemed logical to me, and to include the clause was part of it.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – So you were therefore concerned that the 8000 was to distribute it further, it was what you were afraid?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, I was afraid that people would be afraid not to distribute them [because of the legal responsibility]

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – This type of hypothetical response to the threat. All in the compendium votes as there were not a hypothetical response?

Behring Anders Breivik: – No, absolutely not. It was a legal clause that allows for a response.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – Then you write also about a hypothetical, “Fictional group”, that you name to KT?

Behring Anders Breivik: – I have the same clause in front of the film is distributed.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – When you say it is a hypothetical group [Breivik interrupts and asks the judge disregards the text] – But if you were afraid of the legal responsibility, was it wise to use the Knights Templar as the name of this manifesto?

Behring Anders Breivik: – Yes, in many ways. Because even today one can not therefore function as a legal clause, and I see no obstacle to using the KT-name.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen: – So it was not unwise to give this name? – The name is a name that you have found? [Breivik says it is not] – It’s four o’clock, and we have completed batch 1 It is as I understand the most extensive block, and tomorrow, we started with batch 2 The court is adjourned.

VG: – People gets up and starts to leave the premises. Anders Breivik Behring is applied handcuffs and confer with his lawyer, Geir Lippestad….

Original article: Dag 3: Breivik respekterer dødsstraff – ord for ord

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